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by prachich1987 » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:38 pm
In the xy plane, at what point does y = (x + a)(x + b) cross the x axis?

a. a + b = -1
b. graph intersects y axis at (0, -6)

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by Geva@EconomistGMAT » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:57 pm
Question is asking at what point does y equal zero. This happens in one of two cases: when x=-a, or when x=-b. thus, in order to answer the question, you need to know the values of a and b.

Stat. (1): one equation, two unknowns - cannot find a and b.

Stat. (2): what this tells you is that when x=0, y must equal -6. Plug these into the equation to get x=0 into the equation to get -6=(0+a)(0+b), or ab=-6. Again, one equation, two unknowns - cannot find a and b.

Combined: two equations, two unknowns - you can find a and b. Note that for this particular pair (the sum and product of a and b), you will find two solutions - either a=2 and b=-3, or vice Versa: a=-3, b=2 - but in both cases you know that the x intercepts are the reverse :3 and -2. Sufficient - answer is C.
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by prachich1987 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:04 am
Geva@MasterGMAT wrote:Question is asking at what point does y equal zero. This happens in one of two cases: when x=-a, or when x=-b. thus, in order to answer the question, you need to know the values of a and b.

Stat. (1): one equation, two unknowns - cannot find a and b.

Stat. (2): what this tells you is that when x=0, y must equal -6. Plug these into the equation to get x=0 into the equation to get -6=(0+a)(0+b), or ab=-6. Again, one equation, two unknowns - cannot find a and b.

Combined: two equations, two unknowns - you can find a and b. Note that for this particular pair (the sum and product of a and b), you will find two solutions - either a=2 and b=-3, or vice Versa: a=-3, b=2 - but in both cases you know that the x intercepts are the reverse :3 and -2. Sufficient - answer is C.
Hi Geva,

Thanks for the explanation
I understand that when a graph intersects at x axis, the y-coordinate would be 0.
Here we have two values for a =2,-3
& two values for b=2,-3
Hence there are two possible points
(2,0)
(-3,0)
How can the answer be A then?
Please advise where I am going wrong?

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by Anurag@Gurome » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:07 am
prachich1987 wrote:In the xy plane, at what point does y = (x + a)(x + b) cross the x axis?

a. a + b = -1
b. graph intersects y axis at (0, -6)
In the xy plane, any curve of the form y = f(x) crosses the x-axis at those points where y becomes zero. In this case y = (x + a)(x + b) crosses the x axis at points x = -a and x = -b. Therefore we need to find the values of a and b.

Statement 1: (a + b) = -1
Only from this we cannot find the values of a and b.

Not Sufficient.


Statement 2: Graph intersects y axis at (0, -6)
Thus at x = 0, y = -6
Therefore, -6 = (0 + a)(0 + b) = ab
Only from this we cannot find the values of a and b.

Not Sufficient.

1 & 2 Together: (a + b) = -1 and ab = -6
Solving these two equations we can get the values of a and b. And as these two relations are commutative, i.e changing the order of a and b in them doesn't change anything, we'll get a pair of values for a and b. Particularly -3 and 2. In both cases the graph will intersect x-axis at x = -3 and x = 2.

Sufficient.

The correct answer is C.
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by Anurag@Gurome » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:10 am
prachich1987 wrote:I understand that when a graph intersects at x axis, the y-coordinate would be 0.
Here we have two values for a =2,-3
& two values for b=2,-3
Hence there are two possible points
(2,0)
(-3,0)
How can the answer be A then?
Please advise where I am going wrong?
The answer is not A, it's C.
And you're correct. There are two possible values of each a and b. Thus either (a = -3, b = 2) or (a = 2, b = -3). But in both the cases the graph is going to intersect the x-axis at x = -3 and x = 2.
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by Geva@EconomistGMAT » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:19 am
prachich1987 wrote:
Geva@MasterGMAT wrote:Question is asking at what point does y equal zero. This happens in one of two cases: when x=-a, or when x=-b. thus, in order to answer the question, you need to know the values of a and b.

Stat. (1): one equation, two unknowns - cannot find a and b.

Stat. (2): what this tells you is that when x=0, y must equal -6. Plug these into the equation to get x=0 into the equation to get -6=(0+a)(0+b), or ab=-6. Again, one equation, two unknowns - cannot find a and b.

Combined: two equations, two unknowns - you can find a and b. Note that for this particular pair (the sum and product of a and b), you will find two solutions - either a=2 and b=-3, or vice Versa: a=-3, b=2 - but in both cases you know that the x intercepts are the reverse :3 and -2. Sufficient - answer is C.
Hi Geva,

Thanks for the explanation
I understand that when a graph intersects at x axis, the y-coordinate would be 0.
Here we have two values for a =2,-3
& two values for b=2,-3
Hence there are two possible points
(2,0)
(-3,0)
How can the answer be A then?
Please advise where I am going wrong?
Anurag explained this point so 'Um...What he said"

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by prachich1987 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:21 am
Anurag@Gurome wrote:
prachich1987 wrote:I understand that when a graph intersects at x axis, the y-coordinate would be 0.
Here we have two values for a =2,-3
& two values for b=2,-3
Hence there are two possible points
(2,0)
(-3,0)
How can the answer be A then?
Please advise where I am going wrong?
The answer is not A, it's C.
And you're correct. There are two possible values of each a and b. Thus either (a = -3, b = 2) or (a = 2, b = -3). But in both the cases the graph is going to intersect the x-axis at x = -3 and x = 2.
It was a type error to write "A"
I actually mean to say "how can the answer be C"
The question is asking us "at what point does y = (x + a)(x + b) cross the x axis?"

But we have got two points.
Hence even after combining the two statements , we don't get a unique value as it is intersecting at both (2,0) & (-3,0)

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by Geva@EconomistGMAT » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:26 am
prachich1987 wrote:
Anurag@Gurome wrote:
prachich1987 wrote:I understand that when a graph intersects at x axis, the y-coordinate would be 0.
Here we have two values for a =2,-3
& two values for b=2,-3
Hence there are two possible points
(2,0)
(-3,0)
How can the answer be A then?
Please advise where I am going wrong?
The answer is not A, it's C.
And you're correct. There are two possible values of each a and b. Thus either (a = -3, b = 2) or (a = 2, b = -3). But in both the cases the graph is going to intersect the x-axis at x = -3 and x = 2.
It was a type error to write "A"
I actually mean to say "how can the answer be C"
The question is asking us "at what point does y = (x + a)(x + b) cross the x axis?"

But we have got two points.
Hence even after combining the two statements , we don't get a unique value as it is intersecting at both (2,0) & (-3,0)
I know this GMATPREP question: I believe the original question DID ask for points (plural), rather than point (singular). In any case, the former's answer is C, for reasons explained; the latter answer's E, for the reason you provide.
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by ankurmit » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:28 am
y = (x + a)(x + b)

y = x^2 +x (a+b) +ab

At point line crosses X-axis, Y=0

hence x^2+x(a+b)+ ab =0

Stem 1: Gives value of a+b but not value of ab

hence not sufficient

Stem 2:. graph intersects y axis at (0, -6)

y = x^2 +x (a+b) +ab

put values in equation we get value of ab

hence not sufficient

Combining both we get value of a+b and ab both

hence C is answer
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by prachich1987 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:28 am
Geva@MasterGMAT wrote:
prachich1987 wrote:
Anurag@Gurome wrote:
prachich1987 wrote:I understand that when a graph intersects at x axis, the y-coordinate would be 0.
Here we have two values for a =2,-3
& two values for b=2,-3
Hence there are two possible points
(2,0)
(-3,0)
How can the answer be A then?
Please advise where I am going wrong?
The answer is not A, it's C.
And you're correct. There are two possible values of each a and b. Thus either (a = -3, b = 2) or (a = 2, b = -3). But in both the cases the graph is going to intersect the x-axis at x = -3 and x = 2.
It was a type error to write "A"
I actually mean to say "how can the answer be C"
The question is asking us "at what point does y = (x + a)(x + b) cross the x axis?"

But we have got two points.
Hence even after combining the two statements , we don't get a unique value as it is intersecting at both (2,0) & (-3,0)
I know this GMATPREP question: I believe the original question DID ask for points (plural), rather than point (singular). In any case, the former's answer is C, for reasons explained; the latter answer's E, for the reason you provide.
Thanks Geva
It helps.

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by Geva@EconomistGMAT » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:30 am
ankurmit wrote:y = (x + a)(x + b)

y = x^2 +x (a+b) +ab

At point line crosses X-axis, Y=0

hence x^2+x(a+b)+ ab =0

Stem 1: Gives value of a+b but not value of ab

hence not sufficient

Stem 2:. graph intersects y axis at (0, -6)

y = x^2 +x (a+b) +ab

put values in equation we get value of ab

hence not sufficient

Combining both we get value of a+b and ab both

hence C is answer
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by ankurmit » Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:05 am
Geva..thanks for appreciating !!
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by ragz » Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:48 am
prachich1987 wrote:
Anurag@Gurome wrote:
The answer is not A, it's C.
And you're correct. There are two possible values of each a and b. Thus either (a = -3, b = 2) or (a = 2, b = -3). But in both the cases the graph is going to intersect the x-axis at x = -3 and x = 2.
It was a type error to write "A"
I actually mean to say "how can the answer be C"
The question is asking us "at what point does y = (x + a)(x + b) cross the x axis?"

But we have got two points.
Hence even after combining the two statements , we don't get a unique value as it is intersecting at both (2,0) & (-3,0)
Since the equation is a binomial, there will be two points that satisfy this equation.