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by ketkoag » Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:36 am
Violence in the stands at soccer matches has gotten so pronounced in several European countries that some stadiums have adopted new rules that aim to identify fans of visiting teams and that seat them in a separate area.

(A) to identify fans of visiting teams and that seat them
(B) to identify fans of visiting teams and seat them
(C) to identify fans of visiting teams for seating
(D) at identifying fans of visiting teams so as to seat them
(E) at identifying fans of visiting teams and that seat them

correct idiom is aim at or aim to. i think it should be aim at. please lemme know how to apply this for the question above if the correct idiom is aim at.
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by perfectstranger » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:15 am
imo b oa?
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by kc_raj » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:03 am
IMO D

in this case aim at is more appropriate idiom,

my aim is to become a lawyer, here aim to is correct idiom,
new rules aim at reducing theft, here aim at is correct idiom,
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by rahulg83 » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:41 am
Checked with manhattan SC

aim to is never a correct idiom. It's either aim at or aim of..
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by Stacey Koprince » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:07 pm
Received a PM asking me to respond on the "aim X" idiom.

Make sure you post the ENTIRE sentence / phrase when talking about an idiom. The incorrect example given in the book is:

"We adopted new procedures WITH THE AIM TO REDUCE theft."

That's not a correct usage - that entire phrase. That doesn't mean that "aim to" by itself is always wrong. :)

To fix the above sentence, we could say something like:
"We adopted new procedures AIMED AT REDUCING theft" meaning: the new procedures are aimed at <achieving some goal>

or "We adopted new procedures WITH THE AIM OF REDUCING theft." Full idiom here is "with the aim of"

We could also say:
She aims to please.
Her aim to please makes it easy for people to walk all over her.

"aim to" is perfectly fine there.

Some stadiums have adopted rules that aim <to do something else>. If you want to put a verb action after aim, you need to use "to <verb>." Idiom: X that aim to Y ("rules that aim to identify").

Idioms are numerous and complex. I only bother to study the ones that have been published in official questions because there are, literally, thousands and thousands of idioms in the language. Can't memorize them all and don't want to waste my time memorizing something if I have no idea whether it will be on the test. I don't know where the above question came from - if it's an official question, great, study the specific idiom. If not, forget about it! (The idioms listed in our book are all pulled from official questions.)
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by goelmohit2002 » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:26 pm
What is the OA ?

As per my understanding...Aim at = targetted at
Aim to = to show the purpose.
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by goelmohit2002 » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:42 am
Found a good link on net for "Aim to" Vs "Aim At"

https://gmat-grammar.blocked/2007/0 ... im-at.html
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by gmat740 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:03 pm
I find aimed at correct in this case

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by goelmohit2002 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:17 pm
Stacey Koprince wrote: Idioms are numerous and complex. I only bother to study the ones that have been published in official questions because there are, literally, thousands and thousands of idioms in the language. Can't memorize them all and don't want to waste my time memorizing something if I have no idea whether it will be on the test. I don't know where the above question came from - if it's an official question, great, study the specific idiom. If not, forget about it! (The idioms listed in our book are all pulled from official questions.)
Thanks Stacey.

Do you mean to say that we can forget about this aim at Vs aim to distinction atleast for GMAT....

If yes, then it will be yet another myth buster from your end :-)

Can you please tell have you ever encountered a problem in GMAT that tests or kicks out options based on this aim at Vs aim to split ?

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by goelmohit2002 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:22 pm
gmat740 wrote:I find aimed at correct in this case

Need your Opinions.
Hi Karan,

For aim at Vs aim to split I think Stacey will help us clear the same....

But for kicking out D and E I think we have other reasons too:

(D) at identifying fans of visiting teams so as to seat them
So as together is never correct in GMAT. (source Kaplan)
(E) at identifying fans of visiting teams and that seat them
"that" follows and....so we need to have another that before...in order to maintain parallelism....which is not the case...so IMO E is incorrect....since rules cannot seat them...

i.e. it is not correct to say...

rules that aim....
rules that seat....
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by goelmohit2002 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:32 pm
Just checked the OG....atleast for the below example(OG-10, Q212) OG is not kicking out the options based on Aim To Vs Aimed At split....Probably Stacey will help more on this.

The Baldrick Manufacturing Company has for several years followed a policy aimed at decreasing operating costs and improving the efficiency of its distribution system.
(A) aimed at decreasing operating costs and improving
(B) aimed at the decreasing of operating costs and to improve
(C) aiming at the decreasing of operating costs and improving
(D) the aim of which is the decreasing of operating costs and improving
(E) with the aim to decrease operating costs and to improve

The reason that OG gives to reach the correct answer is:

"The best choice, A, offers an adjective phrase unequivocally modifying policy and exhibiting grammatical parallelism (decreasing ... and improving). In choice B, the gerund the decreasing is not grammatically parallel with the infinitive to improve. Likewise, in C and D, the decreasing of... costs is not parallel with improving the efficiency. In E, the infinitives to decrease and to improve, while parallel, are less idiomatic than the prepositional phrase of decreasing ... and improving in modifying the noun aim. Also, with the aim... improve can easily be construed as referring to the Baldrick Manufacturing Company and so does not refer unequivocally to policy."
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by goelmohit2002 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:40 pm
Can some one please tell what is the OA and if it not C....then what is the problem in the option C as such ?
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Re: soccer

by BlindVision » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:12 am
ketkoag wrote:Violence in the stands at soccer matches has gotten so pronounced in several European countries that some stadiums have adopted new rules that aim to identify fans of visiting teams and that seat them in a separate area.

(A) to identify fans of visiting teams and that seat them
(B) to identify fans of visiting teams and seat them
(C) to identify fans of visiting teams for seating
(D) at identifying fans of visiting teams so as to seat them
(E) at identifying fans of visiting teams and that seat them

correct idiom is aim at or aim to. i think it should be aim at. please lemme know how to apply this for the question above if the correct idiom is aim at.
Choice C

C) aim to identify is used appropriate to rule: aim to + verb, and for seating is concise.
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by tanviet » Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:46 am
the idioms are

to aim something at some thing (aim is verb, which mean direct )

to aim to do some thing (aim is verb)

the aim of doing/something (aim is noun)
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by Stacey Koprince » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:24 am
Do you mean to say that we can forget about this aim at Vs aim to distinction atleast for GMAT....

If yes, then it will be yet another myth buster from your end Smile

Can you please tell have you ever encountered a problem in GMAT that tests or kicks out options based on this aim at Vs aim to split ?
It doesn't mean that they will never test an idiom that they haven't tested before - they could. My comment was more of a practical nature. There are thousands of idioms in the language. We can't study them all. So let's spend our time studying the ones that we know they've actually tested.

I think goel's note about the explanation for the problem up above is very telling. They've got different "aim" idioms in there, but they don't discuss the variations in the explanation. From their point of view, then, we shouldn't be using that to decide what to pick or eliminate (at least on this question anyway!). If they don't consider it important enough to discuss, then I don't consider it important enough to study. :)
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