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by cd86 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:15 am
Clearly, adults who own livestock are more likely to be affected by the proposed legislation than are adults who do not own livestock.

I chose D by eliminating the others. What I cant understand is why does the assumption say that adults who own livestock are more likey to be affected? They will be affected, yes, because 12% of them voted for it..but why more affected?

In Ron's example : 55% of people in California support the legalization of marijuana. However, 80% of people under 30 support the legalization of marijuana. Therefore, people under 30 must be more likely to smoke marijuana than older people.
If the analogy said 12% of the people under 30 support the legalization , then we will conclude simply that the legalizaton does affect them, but not any more likely than say any other group that also voted in support. Right?

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by lunarpower » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:00 am
cd86 wrote:I chose D by eliminating the others. What I cant understand is why does the assumption say that adults who own livestock are more likey to be affected? They will be affected, yes, because 12% of them voted for it..but why more affected?
Your reasoning here has the same issue as the original argument.

The point of this problem is for you to realize that there is no necessary connection between (i) voting for something and (ii) being affected by that thing.
(Just think about it: There are lots and lots and lots of issues on which people vote -- and about which they feel very, very passionately -- even though those issues don't affect them at all.
E.g., abortion or capital punishment. Think of the people you know who feel most strongly about those things. How many of those people are personally affected by those things? Most likely very few of them.)

That's why an assumption is needed here.
Choice D says there's a connection between (i) and (ii). Without that, the argument doesn't work.
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by lunarpower » Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:01 am
In Ron's example : 55% of people in California support the legalization of marijuana. However, 80% of people under 30 support the legalization of marijuana. Therefore, people under 30 must be more likely to smoke marijuana than older people.
If the analogy said 12% of the people under 30 support the legalization , then we will conclude simply that the legalizaton does affect them, but not any more likely than say any other group that also voted in support. Right?
Nope. Same problem.

To illustrate the issue here, I can just point to myself. I don't smoke marijuana, and don't really care whether others do, but I support its legalization. (My rationale: Gang activity could be curtailed, the drug could be made safer for users -- and the government could tax it!)
Legalization doesn't affect me at all, but I'd support it.
Same issue here.
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by AndreyTonteey13 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:25 pm
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by lunarpower » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:33 pm
AndreyTonteey13 wrote:I also bought some fashionable hair wigs online and among them I like the Curly Hair Wigs most as I also own the stright hair wigs with short length and medium length. And I find that wearing different style of hair wigs will bring me new feelings and will make I looking better as well.
These guys are champions. Post something with "hair" in it, and boom! they find you.

If we were that good at finding oil, gas would be $0.01 a gallon.

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by ngalinh » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:35 pm
AndreyTonteey13 wrote:I also bought some fashionable hair wigs online and among them I like the Curly Hair Wigs most as I also own the stright hair wigs with short length and medium length. And I find that wearing different style of hair wigs will bring me new feelings and will make I looking better as well.
What an idea!

I have a Master who possesses little hairs, so his favorite topic often is water conservation. I'm gonna suggest him to buy one. (ka ka)

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by Siyinglove » Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:58 pm
lunarpower wrote:
ngalinh wrote:
I.e., you're busying yourself with trying to "classify" things -- subgroup data, "classic" pattern, etc. -- instead of actually thinking about the situation described in the problem.
Those kinds of thoughts should always be backups, to be used only if you are completely confused by the situation described in the passage.
You seem to know every corner in students' mind. :(
Nah, I've just taught many different things, to many different ages of students. One thing I've learned, in general, is that terminology/classification kills understanding.
In other words, as soon as there are "names" or "labels" that people can stick on things, they just stop trying to understand those things. Instead, it just becomes a game of slapping meaningless labels on things.

As an example, the concept of losing/gaining electrons, from elementary chemistry, is very simple. Honestly it's something that a six- or seven-year-old would have very little trouble understanding. (An electron is "minus one". If you add that, you are minus one. If you take it away, you are plus one.)
But, as soon as those things are given the name "cation" and "anion", WHOA all the understanding just goes out the window. Unless students already understand the concept before they are given the names, it becomes an extremely difficult struggle to learn anything once the names are given. This is a pretty common theme.

Same thing is usually true in real life. Consider things that you put into your body. A contrast:

* When people think about medicines, they don't normally try to classify the medicines. (Jim takes Prozac for depression; he doesn't think about the fact that it's called a "SSRI". He takes Advil for pain, without thinking that it's called a "NSAID".)
As a result, they have a pretty good idea of which drugs do what things to them. They may not understand all the biochemistry, but they'll have a pretty detailed practical understanding.

* When people think about nutrition, though, they have the term "carbohydrate", which applies to a huge and diverse set of different types of foods -- everything from potatoes to high-fructose corn syrup. Because the label "carbohydrates" exists, the vast majority of people simply never formulate any understanding of the functions of, or the differences between, the foods that receive that label. So you get people who think that eating brown rice and eating sugar are basically the same. They don't understand the differences at all; some of them don't even know that there are differences.
It's all the label's fault.
If the label "carbohydrate" didn't exist, people would think more about how these foods actually affect them, and about the differences that exist between them.

Just keep these examples in mind. And make up more of them. (Imagine if you tried to make a five-year-old memorize the term "jerk" before the child understood what manners are! That would be a disaster.)

Never stick labels on things until you already understand how they work. Once that understanding is VERY solid, then go ahead and slap all the labels you want on things.
But arguably, how we not understand how things work without giving it a name?

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by Catherinelove » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:48 pm
Siyinglove wrote:
lunarpower wrote:
ngalinh wrote:
I.e., you're busying yourself with trying to "classify" things -- subgroup data, "classic" pattern, etc. -- instead of actually thinking about the situation described in the problem.
Those kinds of thoughts should always be backups, to be used only if you are completely confused by the situation described in the passage.
You seem to know every corner in students' mind. :(
Nah, I've just taught many different things, to many different ages of students. One thing I've learned, in general, is that terminology/classification kills understanding.
In other words, as soon as there are "names" or "labels" that people can stick on things, they just stop trying to understand those things. Instead, it just becomes a game of slapping meaningless labels on things.

As an example, the concept of losing/gaining electrons, from elementary chemistry, is very simple. Honestly it's something that a six- or seven-year-old would have very little trouble understanding. (An electron is "minus one". If you add that, you are minus one. If you take it away, you are plus one.)
But, as soon as those things are given the name "cation" and "anion", WHOA all the understanding just goes out the window. Unless students already understand the concept before they are given the names, it becomes an extremely difficult struggle to learn anything once the names are given. This is a pretty common theme.

Same thing is usually true in real life. Consider things that you put into your body. A contrast:

* When people think about medicines, they don't normally try to classify the medicines. (Jim takes Prozac for depression; he doesn't think about the fact that it's called a "SSRI". He takes Advil for pain, without thinking that it's called a "NSAID".)
As a result, they have a pretty good idea of which drugs do what things to them. They may not understand all the biochemistry, but they'll have a pretty detailed practical understanding.

* When people think about nutrition, though, they have the term "carbohydrate", which applies to a huge and diverse set of different types of foods -- everything from potatoes to high-fructose corn syrup. Because the label "carbohydrates" exists, the vast majority of people simply never formulate any understanding of the functions of, or the differences between, the foods that receive that label. So you get people who think that eating brown rice and eating sugar are basically the same. They don't understand the differences at all; some of them don't even know that there are differences.
It's all the label's fault.
If the label "carbohydrate" didn't exist, people would think more about how these foods actually affect them, and about the differences that exist between them.

Just keep these examples in mind. And make up more of them. (Imagine if you tried to make a five-year-old memorize the term "jerk" before the child understood what manners are! That would be a disaster.)

Never stick labels on things until you already understand how they work. Once that understanding is VERY solid, then go ahead and slap all the labels you want on things.
But arguably, how we understand how things work without giving it a name?
Ron, please explain elaborately about how our human being understand stuff without giving a name? When you give your idea, you should back up with strong evidence? But there is only your idea, you should prove to me that we can understand things without the label!!!

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by Catherinelove » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:50 pm
lunarpower wrote:
AndreyTonteey13 wrote:I also bought some fashionable hair wigs online and among them I like the Curly Hair Wigs most as I also own the stright hair wigs with short length and medium length. And I find that wearing different style of hair wigs will bring me new feelings and will make I looking better as well.
These guys are champions. Post something with "hair" in it, and boom! they find you.

If we were that good at finding oil, gas would be $0.01 a gallon.

Wow.
How can we understand things without a name please