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by maihuna » Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:05 am
Hey thanks Rohini,
Yes I am considering ISB, let us see how it goes like.

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nagendra
rohu27 wrote:Congrats maihuna. (Though I am late in congratulating you.)
Are you applying for any 1 year programs in India?

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Rohini.
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by maihuna » Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:10 am
prodizy wrote:Hey maihuna and abhi,

You have to give benifit of doubt to people. Not everyone is same. A close friend of mine gave GMAT with little preparation and scored 710(that too with 30min remaining qhen both sections). So there are geniuses like that. But whether they flaunt it or not don't matter to US. We have to see what works best for us Nd do that :)
No, you have taken us wrong. Usually people with 1st post as success stories are doubt. We are not saying they are fake for sure but let us doubt. Just do not take it as a bad habit of mine, but I always fail to understand motive behind these posts. It did affects the morale, in my dis-honest :( opinion, particularly if lot such messages are doing the rounds.
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by AbhiJ » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:40 am
prodizy wrote:
Hey maihuna and abhi,

You have to give benifit of doubt to people. Not everyone is same. A close friend of mine gave GMAT with little preparation and scored 710(that too with 30min remaining qhen both sections). So there are geniuses like that. But whether they flaunt it or not don't matter to US. We have to see what works best for us Nd do that :)
Geniuses don't write GMAT and go for MBA, they are found generally in academics/research. Can say from my undergrad experience - people lie a lot. They want to create an aura of invincibility. Just look around your office - how few people accept that they made a mistake, they failed and something was beyond their reach.
They will act as if they are flawless and will tend to overemphasize their contributions.

As far as your friend is concerned, can accept that someone is smart enough to crack a 710 with minimal effort. However would expect such a SMART person to utilise the full time alloted and get a 750+ score.

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by prodizy » Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:35 pm
Abhi,

You are probably looking in one dimensional way. My friend has recently became a father and a doting husband. His priorities are crystal clear - family is tje most important thing. Forget about him, in life we need to learn to give benefit of doubt to people around us. This is very important if you are a manager. nobody is perfect. There seems to be negative energy in your thinking. people tend to reciprocate. No, ALL people around me are NOT like that.

No offense intended mate. Are we not supposed to concentrate on our GMATs? :)
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by lunarpower » Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:37 pm
AbhiJ wrote:As far as your friend is concerned, can accept that someone is smart enough to crack a 710 with minimal effort. However would expect such a SMART person to utilise the full time alloted and get a 750+ score.
hi guys --

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it appears that this discussion has devolved into something rather unproductive. just saying.

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while there are of course great differences between the individuals who are studying for this test -- i.e., some individuals may need more preparation than others -- still, this whole "a high score must involve some huge amount of preparation, or else it's a big lie" idea is false.
in fact, among just about all academic tests in the whole world, this one -- along with other standardized reasoning tests, such as the LSAT -- is among the ones on which naturally gifted individuals are MOST likely to achieve top scores without much, if any, preparation.
the reason for this is fairly simple: the level of knowledge required is very modest.
* the quant section doesn't test math concepts beyond first-year algebra and geometry, although those topics are made into ingenious problems.
* if a test-taker has considerable experience reading and writing formal english, then he or she may be able to do very well on SC without any explicit grammatical knowledge (in much the same way that children can recognize when a foreign speaker is "talking funny", even though those children obviously can't elucidate the exact rules by which this is judged).
* the CR and RC sections require NO memorized knowledge whatsoever, other than a sufficient command of the language.

given the above, it's very possible for an intuitively gifted (and probably native english-speaking) student to get a 99th percentile score without much, if any, formal preparation.
our own instructors at MGMAT are a case in point: all of them have at least a 760, yet very few of them undertook any sort of formal preparation for the test, and they don't even get to train with our curriculum until after they've already gotten that score.

contrast the situation with, say, a biology achievement test, which would test a great deal of memorized knowledge. on a test like that, even the greatest genius in the entire world would have to study quite a bit -- because, after all, a gifted intuition is not going to get you anywhere with questions whose answers must be memorized, such as "what is the function of vitamin b-12?" or "where are the lymph nodes located in humans?"

in any case, the point is not what works for other people; the point is what works for YOU, the reader. if someone else's situation is dramatically different from yours, then you need to be able to ignore that person's situation and concentrate on the tips and approaches that are relevant to your own situation.

for instance, given what's written above, a lot of the posters here would call me a big fat liar, because i got my own verbal scores without any advance preparation. (in quant, i had a great deal of "preparation" in the sense that i've taught other standardized tests with similar quant requirements for a long time.)
but, my situation is totally different: i've been a professional writer and editor, on and off, for the last 13+ years. in other words, i've basically lived and breathed the written english language for (at least part of) my living. not surprisingly given this background, i had very little trouble with SC, even though i knew *no* explicit grammar rules until i started teaching for MGMAT. (i still don't know most of the grammatical terms; if i ever mention "gerund", "subordinate clause", etc. in a post, then it's 100% guaranteed that i just finished looked up the term on google, and will probably forget it again the next ten minutes.)
also, i didn't have much trouble with RC or CR because (1) again, i'm a native-speaking professional writer/editor, and (2) i approached the task by intuition rather than memorization (which simply won't work) from the very beginning. the reason for #2 is fortuitous -- i don't approach anything by memorization, because my raw memory power is in the bottom 3% of the human population -- but that's just another illustration of the point i'm making here, which is that people in different circumstances might need radically different amounts of preparation.

in any case, it really doesn't matter. what matters is what YOU can do to improve YOUR score; all of this focus on other people's results is just a distraction, and not a good one.
here's an analogy: let's say you have Pat, who is very athletically gifted and can stay in excellent shape with a terrible diet and very little exercise, and Mo, who is naturally stouter, pudgier, and less athletic.
in Mo's case, the best advice is just to watch things like diet, exercise, and sleep very carefully -- and, if Mo does these things, then Mo can ultimately surpass Pat.
my point here is that Mo gains nothing by thinking about how much easier it would be for Pat to get into the same shape -- because those thoughts don't apply to Mo. same sort of deal here.
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by adi_800 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:46 pm
maihuna.. (R u SRK fan or wat??)
Anyways I was holding myself from posting this one as I though I would be blunt but pls do not take it that way...
I do respect your score and getting 720 is also respected by everyone when everyone knows that the average score all over the world is close to 540....
I do respect your efforts and I also respect whatever advice Ron has given you...

Have you considered this??
Where you would have been if you would have applied with 720 to a school whose rank is between 15-30 all over the world and not top 10 schools all over the world ?? I m sure you would have been at a better position if you are currently working in this shitty IT industry...

If you would have gone ahead with 720 and since you are only interested in one yr program and considering you were done wid your 720 by last yr Feb I guess.. You would have passed out by now if you had gone ahead with your score instead of stopping and reappearing for this exam...

If all would have been the way i mentioned above, you would have got at least a good job worth 80-90k close to NY since you are interested in Finance...
My Frd -> GMAT 640.. Engg acads -> Very poor not even a first class in last year... Applied to university of buffalo, school of business, a skool that I am sure you wont consider even when you apply now has a job as Finance Analyst at E n Y after he passed out from the school last year and must be earning close to 80k... he got a brand and salary worth.. Thats wat you look for after your mba as to get a good job, good profile, and good salary... To make it more interesting, lemme add this... He is working in manhattan.. lol

One more frd -> GMAT 640... excellent acads.. Applied to Case western, again you wont consider this school is working in Deloitte in CA !!
So, my whole point is to show you that the GMAT score is not the only factor the schools look into..
In US, the school that you apply to gets more importance as per its location and your networking also matters other than obvious factors such as faculty, ranking, fees...
Theres one skool called Baruch school of business in manhattan itself and people who wanna get into finance apply to that skool coz of SAFETY of job considering the location of the school (hoping also that economy is not hit :)

N yes, retaking would have been a better option if you would have been at 650 and wanted to get into top 10... But already scoring 720 wit hbalanced scores is surely not worth.. Schools do understand that there is not much difference between 720 and 740 and they do understand that even a slight problem in a test could have got the score from 740 to 720...

But remember these two lines..
If it is to be, it is up to me...
You are the ONLY one who is gonna take the decision !!

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by AbhiJ » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:32 am
prodizy wrote:Abhi,

You are probably looking in one dimensional way. My friend has recently became a father and a doting husband. His priorities are crystal clear - family is tje most important thing. Forget about him, in life we need to learn to give benefit of doubt to people around us. This is very important if you are a manager. nobody is perfect. There seems to be negative energy in your thinking. people tend to reciprocate. No, ALL people around me are NOT like that.

No offense intended mate. Are we not supposed to concentrate on our GMATs? :)
First of all was taking with maihuna but you interrupted nevertheless. Now coming back to the original argument:

What has family got to do with spending 30 extra mins on the GMAT. It has got nothing to do with priorities, being a doting husband etc. You did nothing to counter my argument.

Rather you made some unsound judgements with little evidence - negative thinking, not giving anyone benefit of the doubt,one dimensonal thinking.

By that token can say the following about you (i don't mean its just to show the flaw in your analysis )
- accepting things on face value, being naive, inexperienced, unwilling to challenge one's ideas etc.

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by DanaJ » Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:08 am
Guys, I'm sorry I must interfere in your discussion in this way instead of congratulating maihuna without other comments. But I have to ask you to please end this unhealthy discussion about scoring highly without too much prep. You can both disagree, but please do so more politely.

IMHO: some stories are fake, no doubt. But I am confident that the majority of stories are true and Ron explained why much better than I can. I scored a 700 on the first GMATPrep I took before I even knew what DS was about, so yes, it is possible.

Please control your words or I'll have to delete posts and lock this thread.

Thanks guys and enjoy the weekend!