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by maihuna » Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:52 am
thanks for sharing this abhimanyu. appreciate that. let us see, I will try to look into app part, hope all goes well.

thanks again.
abhimanyu.tanwar wrote:Congratulations!

720 is a great score. May you will find the below story of some interest.

One on my brother's friend (an IITian) scored 720. applied to the Ivy League colleges. wasn't selected. he did his research. prepared a better application.
next year, he again applied to the same colleges with the same score (720). Got Selected. True Story!
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by abhimanyu.tanwar » Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:45 pm
All The Best!
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by maihuna » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:52 am
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abhimanyu.tanwar wrote:All The Best!
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by maihuna » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:18 am
I received a very poor awa score, my last two counts were 5.5 and 5 while this time it is pathetic. I am not complaining though as I wrote very short essay that too very quickly, does it affect? if so how. Will they take awa score of prev attempts?
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by lunarpower » Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:17 pm
i received a private message regarding this thread.

a couple of comments:

* if you are going to apply mostly or entirely to first-tier american schools, then retaking the test with this score is a bad idea. you've already earned a score that is at or above the median at basically every business school in the world, and, just as importantly, your quant and verbal scores are fairly balanced (in terms of both percentiles and numerical scores). at first-tier schools, the further gradations of the scoring scale are just not that relevant; that is, even if you were to retake the test and score 40 or 50 points higher, the new score probably wouldn't make much of a difference.
also, if you are lacking in any other relevant consideration -- e.g. if you haven't had much leadership or entrepreneurial experience, or if you don't have many distinguishing factors -- then retaking the test is definitely a bad idea. if you already have a 720 and need work on other areas of your application, but you choose nevertheless to keep working on the gmat score, then the top schools' admissions committees will almost certainly conclude that you don't know how to set priorities correctly and will summarily reject your application, most likely without any sort of callback.

* on the other hand, if you are going to apply to second-tier american schools, then retaking the test may be advisable if you are fairly sure you can score higher. second-tier schools are always looking for opportunities to boost their schools' numbers, so many of them will offer generous scholarships (sometimes even including room and board in addition to tuition) for candidates with extremely high gmat scores.

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given the advice above, you most likely shouldn't be retaking the exam (unless your primary plan is to apply to second-tier schools), so i'll keep my comments on quant brief:

1) if you are scoring 47 on quant, then it's basically a certainty that you know all of the actual mathematics that you need for the test (and far, far more). therefore, studying mathematical principles will most likely be a waste of your time, if not actually counterproductive.

2) in working with many students whose quant scores are in your current range, i've noticed two problems common to almost all of these students:
- insufficient mental flexibility: the students try to solve every problem with "textbook" methods only, and don't ever try alternate methods if they get stuck. to resolve this issue, you should spend some time studying "backup methods" and implementing them in your practice; check out the february 4 lecture here: https://www.manhattangmat.com/thursdays-with-ron.cfm
- insufficient organizational skills and/or simply not writing down enough steps on the paper. it's easy to dismiss silly mistakes as just "silly mistakes", but surprisingly few students actually address the core issue behind repeated silly mistakes -- namely, the students either aren't organized enough in their written work or are simply trying to do too many steps in their head (hint: NEVER do math in your head, except possibly for simple calculations such as 5 plus 8).
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by maihuna » Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:57 am
Thanks a lot Ron. Quite helpful tips. Yes I was a habitual offender in that I used to do all of the pitfalls noted by you quite consistently and so was the GMAT consistent 47 in last three attempts. Hope that was my destiny, only unfortunate part is I was trying for only a few 1Y-finance specific programs where high quant is a norm. General 2-year MBA is not something I ever thought of(One friend of mine fled US for always after incurring 165K debt in 2 year program at Carnegie Mellon as he passed in last recession and was totally unable to compensate so I am always discouraged for 2-Y courses be it on top university or not). I Will keep you posted with any meaningful progress, in case there are any. You had been quite a help in last 3-4 years, I have and many do benefits with lot of high quality explanation and generosity with which you keep helping so many of us so regularly.
lunarpower wrote:i received a private message regarding this thread.

a couple of comments:

* if you are going to apply mostly or entirely to first-tier american schools, then retaking the test with this score is a bad idea. you've already earned a score that is at or above the median at basically every business school in the world, and, just as importantly, your quant and verbal scores are fairly balanced (in terms of both percentiles and numerical scores). at first-tier schools, the further gradations of the scoring scale are just not that relevant; that is, even if you were to retake the test and score 40 or 50 points higher, the new score probably wouldn't make much of a difference.
also, if you are lacking in any other relevant consideration -- e.g. if you haven't had much leadership or entrepreneurial experience, or if you don't have many distinguishing factors -- then retaking the test is definitely a bad idea. if you already have a 720 and need work on other areas of your application, but you choose nevertheless to keep working on the gmat score, then the top schools' admissions committees will almost certainly conclude that you don't know how to set priorities correctly and will summarily reject your application, most likely without any sort of callback.

* on the other hand, if you are going to apply to second-tier american schools, then retaking the test may be advisable if you are fairly sure you can score higher. second-tier schools are always looking for opportunities to boost their schools' numbers, so many of them will offer generous scholarships (sometimes even including room and board in addition to tuition) for candidates with extremely high gmat scores.

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given the advice above, you most likely shouldn't be retaking the exam (unless your primary plan is to apply to second-tier schools), so i'll keep my comments on quant brief:

1) if you are scoring 47 on quant, then it's basically a certainty that you know all of the actual mathematics that you need for the test (and far, far more). therefore, studying mathematical principles will most likely be a waste of your time, if not actually counterproductive.

2) in working with many students whose quant scores are in your current range, i've noticed two problems common to almost all of these students:
- insufficient mental flexibility: the students try to solve every problem with "textbook" methods only, and don't ever try alternate methods if they get stuck. to resolve this issue, you should spend some time studying "backup methods" and implementing them in your practice; check out the february 4 lecture here: https://www.manhattangmat.com/thursdays-with-ron.cfm
- insufficient organizational skills and/or simply not writing down enough steps on the paper. it's easy to dismiss silly mistakes as just "silly mistakes", but surprisingly few students actually address the core issue behind repeated silly mistakes -- namely, the students either aren't organized enough in their written work or are simply trying to do too many steps in their head (hint: NEVER do math in your head, except possibly for simple calculations such as 5 plus 8).
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by ldiffen » Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:05 pm
good job! i wouldn't retake bc if i scored slightly lower that would look bad to schools.

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by AbhiJ » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:34 am
maihuna,

One year finance programs do you mean MIT as all other are financial engineering. For financial engineering 720, IIT degree and programming background is sufficient, if you have done CFA L1/L2/FRM thats even better.

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by AbhiJ » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:41 am
lunarpower wrote:
* on the other hand, if you are going to apply to second-tier american schools, then retaking the test may be advisable if you are fairly sure you can score higher. second-tier schools are always looking for opportunities to boost their schools' numbers, so many of them will offer generous scholarships (sometimes even including room and board in addition to tuition) for candidates with extremely high gmat scores.
Ron could you mention which 2nd tier schools offer generous scholarships for high GMAT scorers.
Given the current economic climate it would be useful information for many international applicants.

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by lunarpower » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:01 am
AbhiJ wrote:
lunarpower wrote:
* on the other hand, if you are going to apply to second-tier american schools, then retaking the test may be advisable if you are fairly sure you can score higher. second-tier schools are always looking for opportunities to boost their schools' numbers, so many of them will offer generous scholarships (sometimes even including room and board in addition to tuition) for candidates with extremely high gmat scores.
Ron could you mention which 2nd tier schools offer generous scholarships for high GMAT scorers.
Given the current economic climate it would be useful information for many international applicants.
it's going to vary from school to school (and maybe even from year to year).
if you are looking at second-tier schools then you should already have some idea of the geographic region in which you plan to work -- most second-tier schools have mostly regional, not national, influence -- so, once you have a list of schools in that region in which you're interested, you should contact those schools and inquire about the possibility of fellowships.
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by maihuna » Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:13 am
Hi ABhiJ,
Thanks for your message. Yes I mean similar one such as Haas Berkeley, I Am not sure about the MIT one though. Yeah I have not done CFA, long back I was interested to do CFA but then it was banned in india (during 2008-9), it seems it has opened again, I will try to register for CFA-1 if possible.

Thanks again, if you have list of any other good one year programs please let me know.
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One year finance programs do you mean MIT as all other are financial engineering. For financial engineering 720, IIT degree and programming background is sufficient, if you have done CFA L1/L2/FRM thats even better.
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by AbhiJ » Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:46 am
Maihuana,

I think you would be aware of the top FE programs - Baruch, Columbia MFE, CMU , NYU.
I was reading your past posts where you were asking about how to approach GMAT and sharing a personal story. Inspirational.

I read these stories of 750 GMAT in 2.5 month and they don't ring true to me. People in general inflate their scores and deflate their efforts.

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by maihuna » Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:40 am
AbhiJ wrote:Maihuana,

I think you would be aware of the top FE programs - Baruch, Columbia MFE, CMU , NYU.
I was reading your past posts where you were asking about how to approach GMAT and sharing a personal story. Inspirational.

I read these stories of 750 GMAT in 2.5 month and they don't ring true to me. People in general inflate their scores and deflate their efforts.
Totally agree with you Abhi, yes even many looks totally fake. The ultimate fake one being one chap who wrote it because he missed his flight and in the process got one more day and hit 770 odd or something, in morning he was attending international meet, and similar other crap, interestingly that was his first post, I always fail to understand why such a busy person will come open an account and right tons of crap. Might be he missed office shuttle...huh...do let me know if u need that story I will try my best searching it..

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by rohu27 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:12 am
Congrats maihuna. (Though I am late in congratulating you.)
Are you applying for any 1 year programs in India?

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by prodizy » Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:17 am
Hey maihuna and abhi,

You have to give benifit of doubt to people. Not everyone is same. A close friend of mine gave GMAT with little preparation and scored 710(that too with 30min remaining qhen both sections). So there are geniuses like that. But whether they flaunt it or not don't matter to US. We have to see what works best for us Nd do that :)
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