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by mj41 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:21 am
San Franciscans of the 1890s mocked the claim that declared Los Angeles a world city, yet within twenty years a powerful municipal will had made this boast a reality .

yet within twenty years a powerful municipal will had made this boast a reality
yet within twenty years a powerful municipal will made this boast a reality
yet a powerful municipal within twenty years will make this boast a reality
yet this boast had become a reality within twenty years because of a powerful will municipally
yet within twenty years a municipal will had made this boast a powerful reality

In continuation to my last post why is[spoiler] A correct as opposed to B isn't the time sequence given? do we really need a past perfect tense?[/spoiler]
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by money9111 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:44 pm
I think there is a mistake in here somewhere... "...will had" is never correct unless Will is a name
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by mj41 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:57 pm
Hey money 9111 I also got confused initially.
But the sentence if you read carefully says "municipal will" and then "had" it was the will of the municipal that made the boast a claim. Hope this helps.
My question is that according to the sequence of events the claim made should not have had as it occured afterwards, shouldnt the sentence read:

San Franciscans of the 1890s had mocked the claim that declared Los Angeles a world city, yet within twenty years a powerful municipal will made this boast a reality .

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by Shawshank » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:55 pm
mj41 wrote:Hey money 9111 I also got confused initially.
But the sentence if you read carefully says "municipal will" and then "had" it was the will of the municipal that made the boast a claim. Hope this helps.
My question is that according to the sequence of events the claim made should not have had as it occured afterwards, shouldnt the sentence read:

San Franciscans of the 1890s had mocked the claim that declared Los Angeles a world city, yet within twenty years a powerful municipal will made this boast a reality .

Please help
I Still not think Municapal Will Had is Correct.... the sentence sounds absurd,,,
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by prinit » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:20 am
mj41 wrote:San Franciscans of the 1890s mocked the claim that declared Los Angeles a world city, yet within twenty years a powerful municipal will had made this boast a reality .

yet within twenty years a powerful municipal will had made this boast a reality
yet within twenty years a powerful municipal will made this boast a reality
yet a powerful municipal within twenty years will make this boast a reality
yet this boast had become a reality within twenty years because of a powerful will municipally
yet within twenty years a municipal will had made this boast a powerful reality

In continuation to my last post why is[spoiler] A correct as opposed to B isn't the time sequence given? do we really need a past perfect tense?[/spoiler]
me too..what is the source...never came across such sentence structure...will had really awkward and wrong construction....
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by mj41 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:13 am
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by reply2spg » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:43 am
I think 'will' is noun here and not a verb.

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by reply2spg » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:46 am
I doubt OA....I think B is correct
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by money9111 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:06 pm
yeah I'm going to say that "will had" is still incorrect.. will -> future, had -> past.. can't put them together...
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by sg1978 » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:42 pm
IMO A. In this sentence "will" is a noun and not a verb. We need past perfect in this scenario.
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by Shawshank » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:03 pm
sg1978 wrote:IMO A. In this sentence "will" is a noun and not a verb. We need past perfect in this scenario.
IMO -- B.

Can you please explain why we need Past Perfect here.. What are the 2 past evetnts and How do u justify using "had" for an event that happened 20 years after the 1st event..
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by sg1978 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:26 am
I think that couple of things are going
here. "mocked" conveys past tense.
The clause "yet within ...." is also
conveying something happened
in the past. So I think we need
past perfect to show continued
effect although in the past.

Experts kindly comment.
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by suryapal » Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:39 am
here the trick is word " with in 20 years .... "

see the page no. 132 in MH's sc guide ..... " Also note that the later past event does not need to be expressed with a simple past tense verb. you could just use a date or another time reference"
also given an example :

RIGHT :The band u2 was just one of many new groups on the rock music scene in the early 1980's, but less than ten years, u2 HAD fully eclipsed its early rivals in the pantheon of popular music.
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by FightWithGMAT » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:03 am
One of the meanings of YET is "however at the same time."
So, it is clear that the same time when X mocked, municipalities made some into reality.
Let's say people mocked in 1990, and municipality realized in the same year 1990, but this realization happened within the 20 yrs
- from 1970 to 1990.
So, here HAD is justified.
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by KapTeacherEli » Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:22 pm
Since there seems to be some confusion, let me confirm that 'will' is indeed a noun. We're discussing LA's 'municipal will'.

So the question is between 'had made' and 'made.' The giveaway is 'within 20 years.' Since we have two events occurring, the passage of 20 years and the boast becoming reality. Whenever two events are both in the past, the earlier one should in most cases be identified with the past perfect tense.
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