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by brbanks1 » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:15 pm
I happen to disagree with the solution Magoosh has posted, I would really like to hear you all's opinion.

Set K consists of a finite number of consecutive odd integers. If x is the smallest number in K and y is the greatest, then y - x =

(1) The average (arithmetic mean) of set K is -36.

(2) There are 8 numbers in set K.
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by MartyMurray » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:54 pm
brbanks1 wrote:I happen to disagree with the solution Magoosh has posted, I would really like to hear you all's opinion.

Set K consists of a finite number of consecutive odd integers. If x is the smallest number in K and y is the greatest, then y - x =

(1) The average (arithmetic mean) of set K is -36.

(2) There are 8 numbers in set K.
A translation of the question is What is the range of the set?

By giving us the arithmetic mean, Statement 1 tells us the midpoint of the numbers in the set. This, however does not tell us the range of the set. Examples of possible sets include one in which x = -37 and y = -35 and another in which x = -47 and y = -25.

Insufficient

Statement 2 tells us that there are 8 elements in the set. Since the elements are consecutive odd integers we know that they are spaced two apart from each other. Combining the number of elements of the set with the spacing between the elements, we can calculate the range of the set. The range is not dependent on the mean. For instance, we could have x = 1 and y = 15, and the range would be 14. Alternatively x could be -43 and y could be - 29, in which case the mean would be -36, and still the range would be 14.

Sufficient

Choose B.
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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:30 pm
brbanks1 wrote: Set K consists of a finite number of consecutive odd integers. If x is the smallest number in K and y is the greatest, then y - x =

(1) The average (arithmetic mean) of set K is -36.
(2) There are 8 numbers in set K.
Target question: What is the value of y - x?

Given: Set K consists of a finite number of consecutive odd integers

Statement 1: The average (arithmetic mean) of set K is -36
There's a nice rule that says, "In a set where the numbers are equally spaced, the mean will equal the median."
For example, in each of the following sets, the mean and median are equal:
{7, 9, 11, 13, 15}
{-1, 4, 9, 14}
{3, 4, 5, 6}

Set K consists of consecutive odd integers, so the values are EQUALLY SPACED.
Since the mean of set K is -36, we know that the MEDIAN is -36 as well.
HOWEVER, we don't know the number of elements in set K.
So, consider these two possible sets that yield conflicting answers to the target question:
Case a: set K = {-37, -35}, so the average is -36. In this case y - x = -35 - (-37) = 2
Case b: set K = {-39, -37, -35, -33}, so the average is -36. In this case y - x = -33 - (-39) = 6
Since we cannot answer the target question with certainty, statement 1 is NOT SUFFICIENT

Statement 2: There are 8 numbers in set K.
We already know that the numbers are consecutive ODD integers.
This means that each number in the set is 2 GREATER than the one before it.
So, if we let x = the smallest (1st) value in set K
Then x + 2 = the 2nd value in set K
And x + 4 = the 3rd value in set K
And x + 6 = the 4th value in set K
And x + 8 = the 5th value in set K
And x + 10 = the 6th value in set K
And x + 12 = the 7th value in set K
And x + 14 = the 8th value in set K
In other words, x + 14 = y, the largest value in set K

So, y - x = (x + 14) - x = 14
Since we can answer the target question with certainty, statement 2 is SUFFICIENT

Answer = B

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Brent
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by GMATGuruNY » Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:38 pm
brbanks1 wrote:I happen to disagree with the solution Magoosh has posted, I would really like to hear you all's opinion.

Set K consists of a finite number of consecutive odd integers. If x is the smallest number in K and y is the greatest, then y - x =

(1) The average (arithmetic mean) of set K is -36.

(2) There are 8 numbers in set K.
Statement 1:
For any set of EVENLY SPACED NUMBERS, average = median.
Thus, the median of the set is -36.
It's possible that the set = {-37, -35}, in which case y-x = -35 - (-37) = 2.
It's possible that the set = [-39, -37, -35, -33}, in which case y-x = -33 - (-39) = 6.
Since y-x can be different values, INSUFFICIENT.

Statement 2:
A set consisting of 8 consecutive odd integers can be represented as follows:
x, x+2, x+4, x+6, x+8, x+10, x+12, x+14.
Since y is the greatest value in the set, y = x+14.
Thus:
y-x = (x+14) - x = 14.
SUFFICIENT.

The correct answer is B.
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by brbanks1 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:56 pm
Thanks for all of the help!!
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by hazelnut01 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:29 pm
Brent@GMATPrepNow wrote:
brbanks1 wrote: Set K consists of a finite number of consecutive odd integers. If x is the smallest number in K and y is the greatest, then y - x =

(1) The average (arithmetic mean) of set K is -36.
(2) There are 8 numbers in set K.
Target question: What is the value of y - x?

Given: Set K consists of a finite number of consecutive odd integers

Statement 1: The average (arithmetic mean) of set K is -36
There's a nice rule that says, "In a set where the numbers are equally spaced, the mean will equal the median."
For example, in each of the following sets, the mean and median are equal:
{7, 9, 11, 13, 15}
{-1, 4, 9, 14}
{3, 4, 5, 6}

Set K consists of consecutive odd integers, so the values are EQUALLY SPACED.
Since the mean of set K is -36, we know that the MEDIAN is -36 as well.
HOWEVER, we don't know the number of elements in set K.
So, consider these two possible sets that yield conflicting answers to the target question:
Case a: set K = {-37, -35}, so the average is -36. In this case y - x = -35 - (-37) = 2
Case b: set K = {-38, -37, -35, -33}, so the average is -36. In this case y - x = -33 - (-39) = 6
Since we cannot answer the target question with certainty, statement 1 is NOT SUFFICIENT

Statement 2: There are 8 numbers in set K.
We already know that the numbers are consecutive ODD integers.
This means that each number in the set is 2 GREATER than the one before it.
So, if we let x = the smallest (1st) value in set K
Then x + 2 = the 2nd value in set K
And x + 4 = the 3rd value in set K
And x + 6 = the 4th value in set K
And x + 8 = the 5th value in set K
And x + 10 = the 6th value in set K
And x + 12 = the 7th value in set K
And x + 14 = the 8th value in set K
In other words, x + 14 = y, the largest value in set K

So, y - x = (x + 14) - x = 14
Since we can answer the target question with certainty, statement 2 is SUFFICIENT

Answer = B

Cheers,
Brent
Dear Brent, I believe the number highlighted in red shall be -39.
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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:02 am
ziyuenlau wrote: Dear Brent, I believe the number highlighted in red shall be -39.
Good catch - thanks!
I've changed it to -39

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Brent
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