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by ruplun » Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:16 pm
Could you please solve this DS problem ...


Of the companies surveyed about the skills they
required in prospective employees, 20 percent
required both computer skills and writing skills. What
percent of the companies surveyed required neither
computer skills nor writing skills?
(1) Of those companies surveyed that required
computer skills, half required writing skills.
(2) 45 percent of the companies surveyed required
writing skills but not computer skills.
Source: — Data Sufficiency |

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by papgust » Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:18 pm
Data sufficiency questions must NOT be posted in "Problem solving" forum. Moved the thread to "Data Sufficiency".


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by jeremy8 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:45 am
I think the answe is C.

It is easiest for me to draw a dual table:

_________CS____No CS____Total

WS______20

No WS

Total____________________100


When dealing with percents, it is always easiest to choose 100 as a smart number, so our grand total will be 100.
We know what 20% of, or 20 companies, require both CS and WS, so we put 20 there.
Statement 1 tells us that of the companies that required CS, 1/2 required WS, which basically tells us that the 20% of both CS and WS represents 1/2 of the total CS required, so we can put 40 for the total under CS.
That also means that we know that the companies requiring CS but no WS is 20 as well (40-20).
This also allows us to fill in 100-40=60 under the total for No CS. So with all of 1) info, we have:

_________CS____No CS____Total

WS______20

No WS___20_______?

Total_____40_____60______100

But what we're looking for is No CS and No WS (?), and we don't have enough info to determine that, so 1) Insufficient.
To be continued...because the screen is going crazy on my computer after a certain text lenght in my posts...
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by jeremy8 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:53 am
Wow, unfortunately my tables didn't come out at all the way they looked when I was typing my post.
I had to add these lines of underscore (___________) to make everything kind of fit.
Hopefully you can figure out what I was going for.

Statement 2 tells us that 45% of companies required WS but No CS.
Since we know that CS and WS = 20, we know that the total of companies requiring WS is 65, which also means that the total of companies requiring No WS is 35 (100-65)
However, that's all we can figure out and that's not enough by itself, so 2) Insufficient


_________CS____No CS____Total

WS______20______45______65

No WS___________________35

Total____________________100




Both statements together however, give us enough info to solve for No CS and No WS, using the same table, so the answer is C.

This looks confusing because of the way the tables came out, but it's really not hard.
Some people use Venn diagrams, but if you know how to use tables, it can be faster for these types of problems.
That being said, my explanation could be completely wrong, so I'm curious to see what others come up with.

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by jeremy8 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:03 am
Both statements together:


_______CS_____No CS____Total

WS_____20______45_______65

No WS___20_____15_______35

Total____40______60______100

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by outreach » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:12 am
let say no of companies surveyed be 100

C be the companies requiring computer skills
W denote the companies requiring writing skills

Given - 20 required both computer and writin skills(C and W)
Q - how many companies do not want computer and writing skills

100=C+W+Q


1)
C
W=1/2C

we do not the exact value of W or C

2)
W=45-20=25
but still we cannot find C


1 and 2
enough..hence C
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by GMATGuruNY » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:47 am
ruplun wrote:Could you please solve this DS problem ...


Of the companies surveyed about the skills they
required in prospective employees, 20 percent
required both computer skills and writing skills. What
percent of the companies surveyed required neither
computer skills nor writing skills?
(1) Of those companies surveyed that required
computer skills, half required writing skills.
(2) 45 percent of the companies surveyed required
writing skills but not computer skills.
I'm hoping that everyone will be able to follow the explanation below without the benefit of a Venn diagram.

Since we're looking only for a percentage, we can plug in that we have 100 companies. Of these 100 companies, some will require only computer skills, some only writing skills, some both computer and writing skills, some neither computer nor writing skills.

100 = (only computer) + (only writing) + (both computer and writing) + (neither computer nor writing)

What do we want?
neither computer nor writing

What do we know?
both computer and writing = 20

What do we need?

only computer skills and only writing
Only computer = total computer - both computer and writing
Only writing = total writing - both computer and writing

Statement 1:

If both computer and writing = 1/2 total computer, then 20 = 1/2(total computer), and total computer = 40. So only computer = 40 - 20 = 20. But we still don't know the number that require only writing skills. INSUFFICIENT.

Statement 2:

Only writing skills = 45. But we still don't know the number that require only computer skills. INSUFFICIENT.

Statements 1 and 2 together:

Only computer skills = 20
Only writing skills = 45
Plugging into the equation at the top, we get:
100 = 20 + 45 + 20 + (neither computer nor writing)
So neither computer nor writing = 100 - 20 - 45 - 20 = 15.
SUFFICIENT.

The correct answer is C.
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by gmatcrasher » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:39 am
SOS Please help(((
completely stuck on this question

As I understand according to (1) statement [Of those companies surveyed that required
computer skills, half required writing skills], logically it has to be writing=1/2computer
& considering (2) statement, 45*2=95

cudn't got explanation on the official guide: (20+20+45)=100, it's clear with 45, one 20 might be both computer n writing skills, however how we get 20?

if u don't mind cud u please explain me in details, highly appreciate ur help)))
GMATGuruNY wrote:
ruplun wrote:Could you please solve this DS problem ...


Of the companies surveyed about the skills they
required in prospective employees, 20 percent
required both computer skills and writing skills. What
percent of the companies surveyed required neither
computer skills nor writing skills?
(1) Of those companies surveyed that required
computer skills, half required writing skills.
(2) 45 percent of the companies surveyed required
writing skills but not computer skills.
I'm hoping that everyone will be able to follow the explanation below without the benefit of a Venn diagram.

Since we're looking only for a percentage, we can plug in that we have 100 companies. Of these 100 companies, some will require only computer skills, some only writing skills, some both computer and writing skills, some neither computer nor writing skills.

100 = (only computer) + (only writing) + (both computer and writing) + (neither computer nor writing)

What do we want?
neither computer nor writing

What do we know?
both computer and writing = 20

What do we need?

only computer skills and only writing
Only computer = total computer - both computer and writing
Only writing = total writing - both computer and writing

Statement 1:

If both computer and writing = 1/2 total computer, then 20 = 1/2(total computer), and total computer = 40. So only computer = 40 - 20 = 20. But we still don't know the number that require only writing skills. INSUFFICIENT.

Statement 2:

Only writing skills = 45. But we still don't know the number that require only computer skills. INSUFFICIENT.

Statements 1 and 2 together:

Only computer skills = 20
Only writing skills = 45
Plugging into the equation at the top, we get:
100 = 20 + 45 + 20 + (neither computer nor writing)
So neither computer nor writing = 100 - 20 - 45 - 20 = 15.
SUFFICIENT.

The correct answer is C.

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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:59 am
gmatcrasher wrote:SOS Please help(((
completely stuck on this question

As I understand according to (1) statement [Of those companies surveyed that required
computer skills, half required writing skills], logically it has to be writing=1/2computer
& considering (2) statement, 45*2=95

cudn't got explanation on the official guide: (20+20+45)=100, it's clear with 45, one 20 might be both computer n writing skills, however how we get 20?

if u don't mind cud u please explain me in details, highly appreciate ur help)))
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ruplun wrote:Could you please solve this DS problem ...


Of the companies surveyed about the skills they
required in prospective employees, 20 percent
required both computer skills and writing skills. What
percent of the companies surveyed required neither
computer skills nor writing skills?
(1) Of those companies surveyed that required
computer skills, half required writing skills.
(2) 45 percent of the companies surveyed required
writing skills but not computer skills.
I'm hoping that everyone will be able to follow the explanation below without the benefit of a Venn diagram.

Since we're looking only for a percentage, we can plug in that we have 100 companies. Of these 100 companies, some will require only computer skills, some only writing skills, some both computer and writing skills, some neither computer nor writing skills.

100 = (only computer) + (only writing) + (both computer and writing) + (neither computer nor writing)

What do we want?
neither computer nor writing

What do we know?
both computer and writing = 20

What do we need?

only computer skills and only writing
Only computer = total computer - both computer and writing
Only writing = total writing - both computer and writing

Statement 1:

If both computer and writing = 1/2 total computer, then 20 = 1/2(total computer), and total computer = 40. So only computer = 40 - 20 = 20. But we still don't know the number that require only writing skills. INSUFFICIENT.

Statement 2:

Only writing skills = 45. But we still don't know the number that require only computer skills. INSUFFICIENT.

Statements 1 and 2 together:

Only computer skills = 20
Only writing skills = 45
Plugging into the equation at the top, we get:
100 = 20 + 45 + 20 + (neither computer nor writing)
So neither computer nor writing = 100 - 20 - 45 - 20 = 15.
SUFFICIENT.

The correct answer is C.
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by Anaira Mitch » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:28 pm
GMATGuruNY wrote:
ruplun wrote:Could you please solve this DS problem ...


Of the companies surveyed about the skills they
required in prospective employees, 20 percent
required both computer skills and writing skills. What
percent of the companies surveyed required neither
computer skills nor writing skills?
(1) Of those companies surveyed that required
computer skills, half required writing skills.
(2) 45 percent of the companies surveyed required
writing skills but not computer skills.
I'm hoping that everyone will be able to follow the explanation below without the benefit of a Venn diagram.

Since we're looking only for a percentage, we can plug in that we have 100 companies. Of these 100 companies, some will require only computer skills, some only writing skills, some both computer and writing skills, some neither computer nor writing skills.

100 = (only computer) + (only writing) + (both computer and writing) + (neither computer nor writing)

What do we want?
neither computer nor writing

What do we know?
both computer and writing = 20

What do we need?

only computer skills and only writing
Only computer = total computer - both computer and writing
Only writing = total writing - both computer and writing

Statement 1:

If both computer and writing = 1/2 total computer, then 20 = 1/2(total computer), and total computer = 40. So only computer = 40 - 20 = 20. But we still don't know the number that require only writing skills. INSUFFICIENT.

Statement 2:

Only writing skills = 45. But we still don't know the number that require only computer skills. INSUFFICIENT.

Statements 1 and 2 together:

Only computer skills = 20
Only writing skills = 45
Plugging into the equation at the top, we get:
100 = 20 + 45 + 20 + (neither computer nor writing)
So neither computer nor writing = 100 - 20 - 45 - 20 = 15.
SUFFICIENT.

The correct answer is C.
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