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by advita » Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:06 am
The people of the ancient Assyrian Empire were renowned warriors, although they also crafted some of the best-preserved ancient art.
A) were renowned warriors, although they also crafted
B) had been renowned warriors, although they also crafted
C) were renowned warriors, and also crafted
D) was renowned warriors, although they also crafted
E) were renowned warriors, but also crafting


A/C... what's the problem with wrong choice.?
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by maihuna » Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:19 am
IMO C:

Were Renowned warriors and crafted best arts are two parallel ideas in past and so simple past tense and conjuction 'and' is best.

Wrong with A is un-necessarily it tries to twist the flow, by using although. There being renowned warriors has to do nothing with their being best artsian.
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by prachich1987 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:20 am
A) were renowned warriors, although they also crafted
B) had been renowned warriors, although they also crafted
C) were renowned warriors, and also crafted
D) was renowned warriors, although they also crafted
E) were renowned warriors, but also crafting

I think there is no need to use although
the two clauses are not related in any way

IMO : C

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by AIM GMAT » Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:50 am
Contrast is not at all required in this case so eliminating A , B , D

Left with C and E . E meaning is distorted .

IMO C.

ABD did X and also Y .
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by advita » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:09 am
thanks guys..
but did someone see the problem with the C, a comma splice.

OA is A.... now can you explain why C is comma splice.

my query:
Q1: if 1 subject and 2 verb (were....crafted) are there, is it comma splice. ???
Q2: if 2 subject and 1 verb ..is this comma splice.

any comment is welcome. thanks.
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by prachich1987 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:14 am
Thanks advita for posting the OA
what is the source?
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by AIM GMAT » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:25 am
Whooppps , we were wrong !!!

Whats the source ? Do u have official explanation for this question ?

As u see most ppl picked C.
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by advita » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:27 am
thanks guys... with little research/search on net- i found


When a coordinating conjunction joins two independent clauses, you must put a comma before the conjunction.


Ø June is a wonderful month, and we also get out of school.

Because "we get out of school" is a complete sentence coming after the "and", you need to put a comma before the "and".

However, if there's not a complete IC on the right side of the 'and', you do not use a comma there.

Ø Mary is nice and smart. ("and" joins two adjectives so there's no comma before the 'and')

Ø Tom went to the store and bought a cola. (bought a cola is not an IC because there's no subject, so there's no comma before the 'and'.)

You can also join to ICs together by using a semicolon instead of a conjunction:

Ø Tigers have stripes; they also have long teeth.

This is the only time that you should really find yourself using a semicolon.


The Dreaded Comma Splice!

If you try to join to IC's without using a conjunction or a semicolon, you have created a COMMA SPLICE! These should not occur in formal writing.

Therefore, you should never see a sentence punctuated like this:

Mary walks every night, she likes it a lot.

The comma is trying to joing the IC "Mary walks every night" with the IC "she likes it a lot." However, the comma is not a strong enough punctuation mark to do this.


Correctly Punctuated Options:

Mary walks every night, and she like it a lot.

Mary walks every night; she like it a lot.


https://swcsimpleandcompound.blocked/


C is comma splice.... it may be corrected if
,and also crafted ( CHANGED TO and also crafted - see no comma before and)

source:platinum gmat sc.
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by BastiG » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:18 am
advita wrote:The people of the ancient Assyrian Empire were renowned warriors, although they also crafted some of the best-preserved ancient art.
A) were renowned warriors, although they also crafted
B) had been renowned warriors, although they also crafted
C) were renowned warriors, and also crafted
D) was renowned warriors, although they also crafted
E) were renowned warriors, but also crafting


A/C... what's the problem with wrong choice.?
1. SV agreement
D is out
2. B and C and E change meaning and B has Command splice
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by Target2009 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:25 am
advita wrote:The people of the ancient Assyrian Empire were renowned warriors, although they also crafted some of the best-preserved ancient art.
A) were renowned warriors, although they also crafted
B) had been renowned warriors, although they also crafted
C) were renowned warriors, and also crafted
D) was renowned warriors, although they also crafted
E) were renowned warriors, but also crafting


A/C... what's the problem with wrong choice.?
IMO - A
C is wrong because usually we use ",and " for list ( more than 2) of parallel ideas.
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by ankurmit » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:37 pm
, AND can be used to connect 2 independent clauses.

the second clause in 3rd stem is not a independent clause.
Its also called comma splice as 2nd clause dont have any subject
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by ankurmit » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:40 pm
advita wrote:thanks guys... with little research/search on net- i found


When a coordinating conjunction joins two independent clauses, you must put a comma before the conjunction.


Ø June is a wonderful month, and we also get out of school.

Because "we get out of school" is a complete sentence coming after the "and", you need to put a comma before the "and".

However, if there's not a complete IC on the right side of the 'and', you do not use a comma there.

Ø Mary is nice and smart. ("and" joins two adjectives so there's no comma before the 'and')

Ø Tom went to the store and bought a cola. (bought a cola is not an IC because there's no subject, so there's no comma before the 'and'.)

You can also join to ICs together by using a semicolon instead of a conjunction:

Ø Tigers have stripes; they also have long teeth.

This is the only time that you should really find yourself using a semicolon.


The Dreaded Comma Splice!

If you try to join to IC's without using a conjunction or a semicolon, you have created a COMMA SPLICE! These should not occur in formal writing.

Therefore, you should never see a sentence punctuated like this:

Mary walks every night, she likes it a lot.

The comma is trying to joing the IC "Mary walks every night" with the IC "she likes it a lot." However, the comma is not a strong enough punctuation mark to do this.


Correctly Punctuated Options:

Mary walks every night, and she like it a lot.

Mary walks every night; she like it a lot.


https://swcsimpleandcompound.blocked/


C is comma splice.... it may be corrected if
,and also crafted ( CHANGED TO and also crafted - see no comma before and)

source:platinum gmat sc.
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by saurabh_maths » Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:29 am
the ans has to be A.

'although' conveys the contrast being done.

As warriors dont create arts. They do wars not arts. So in A, although is correctly used to contrast two aspects of people.
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by Jim@Grockit » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:02 pm
No choices feature a comma splice. A comma splice (as detailed in that longer post) joins two independent clauses without a conjunction or semicolon. Although, and, and but are all conjunctions.
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by prachich1987 » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:14 pm
Jim@Grockit wrote:No choices feature a comma splice. A comma splice (as detailed in that longer post) joins two independent clauses without a conjunction or semicolon. Although, and, and but are all conjunctions.
Does it mean that even if the option C would have been without comma--- "were renowned warriors and also crafted ", it would have been wrong
Can you please shed some light on COMMA SPLICE
It's really confusing.
Thanks!
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