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by Target2009 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:25 pm
lunarpower wrote: well, the easiest way to differentiate is the following:
* the absolute phrases that you'll see on the GMAT, generally, start with possessives.
e.g.
james walked out of the stadium, his head held high with pride.

* appositives generally don't start with possessives.
Hi Ron,
Underline portion in following sentence from MGMAT SC Pg 237 mentioned as Absolute Phrase, But to me it looks like Appositive.

Scientists have found high levels of iridium in certain geological formations around the world, results that suggest the cataclvsmic impact of a meteor millions of Years ago.

Rule : X, Results (abstract) that Y...

Kindly Correct me if I am wrong.
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by lunarpower » Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:57 am
Target2009 wrote:Hi Ron,
Underline portion in following sentence from MGMAT SC Pg 237 mentioned as Absolute Phrase, But to me it looks like Appositive.
you are correct; that's an appositive. (this one is already on our list of errata to be fixed in the next edition)
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by Target2009 » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:01 am
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Target2009 wrote:Hi Ron,
Underline portion in following sentence from MGMAT SC Pg 237 mentioned as Absolute Phrase, But to me it looks like Appositive.
you are correct; that's an appositive. (this one is already on our list of errata to be fixed in the next edition)
Thanks for Confirmation Ron. Is there any way to get list of errata.

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by lunarpower » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:03 am
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Target2009 wrote:Hi Ron,
Underline portion in following sentence from MGMAT SC Pg 237 mentioned as Absolute Phrase, But to me it looks like Appositive.
you are correct; that's an appositive. (this one is already on our list of errata to be fixed in the next edition)
Thanks for Confirmation Ron. Is there any way to get list of errata.

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i'll ask around. i know that we have an internal list, but i'm not sure whether it's in a form that could be readily distributed (as opposed to "scrawled in one of our developers' notebooks"). if it is available, i'll post it.
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lunarpower wrote:if it is available, i'll post it.
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by mundasingh123 » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:20 am
lunarpower wrote:
Target2009 wrote:Hi Ron,
Underline portion in following sentence from MGMAT SC Pg 237 mentioned as Absolute Phrase, But to me it looks like Appositive.
you are correct; that's an appositive. (this one is already on our list of errata to be fixed in the next edition)
But ron this conforms with the examples of abstract modifiers , the urls to which you had shared with us a few days back. I will paste the url here as soon as possible .
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by mundasingh123 » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:33 am
Ron.Here is the url https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/pos ... tml#p35386
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by lunarpower » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:48 pm
mundasingh123 wrote: But ron this conforms with the examples of abstract modifiers , the urls to which you had shared with us a few days back. I will paste the url here as soon as possible .
ya, those are appositives too (both kinds); i just had no idea what they were called when i wrote that post.
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by mundasingh123 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:51 pm
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mundasingh123 wrote: But ron this conforms with the examples of abstract modifiers , the urls to which you had shared with us a few days back. I will paste the url here as soon as possible .
ya, those are appositives too (both kinds); i just had no idea what they were called when i wrote that post.
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by lunarpower » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:52 pm
Target2009 wrote:Thanks for Confirmation Ron. Is there any way to get list of errata.

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https://www.manhattangmat.com/errata.cfm

apparently that one wasn't on there yet (even though i remember submitting it before, from this very same forum, i think) ... it'll be on there soon
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by mundasingh123 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:55 pm
Ron,what type of modifier is double the number ... ?
naomi wrote 10 letters,double the number that sara wrote .
what modifier is double the number ... ?
is it
a) absolute phrase
b) appositive
c) abstract modifier

The quoted conversation below has been copied off from another thread created to find an answer to the question i asked above
If the appositive is CONCRETE, it MUST modify preceding noun.
example : I went to bar with Mr. Smith, a consultant from Fresno.

If the appositive is ABSTRACT, it CAN modify whole idea of the preceding clause. BUT if the preceding noun is also abstraction then these can also modify the preceding noun.
example: I went to bar with Mr. Smith, an outing that was far more fun than staying at work.
example: On Sunday our company will hold it annual field day, an outing at which employees drink beer, softball, and relax.

Concrete : is a description use to describe items/people/things that you can actually detect with your sences. Example : things you can touch, hear, hold on you hand, feel it , smell it etc.
Abstract: is a description use to describe items / ideas that you can not actually detect with your sences. Example : relationship, situation etc.

an appositive is a noun phrase .
Note both the appositives have the structure (noun + Modifier )

a consultant + from Fresno.
an outing + that was far more fun than staying at work
an outing + at which employees drink beer, softball, and relax.

Whereas the ending phrase in the sentence in question is
double the number that sara wrote
There is no noun here .
Cant this be an absolute phrase .
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by lunarpower » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:06 pm
mundasingh123 wrote:Ron,what type of modifier is double the number ... ?
naomi wrote 10 letters,double the number that sara wrote .
what modifier is double the number ... ?
is it
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b) appositive
c) abstract modifier
if you were obsessed with classifying that sort of thing, then you would still call it an appositive.

"double" -- like other numerical qualifiers, like "both", "twice", "all", and actual numbers (two, three, four, etc.) -- when used this way is placed in front of the noun, but you end up with a construction that, for all grammatical purposes, is still a noun. (in fact, i looked some of these things up in the dictionary, and they aren't even classified as normal parts of speech -- they're given a special name, "predeterminer", which i've never heard or seen before today.)
in this way, they work a lot like adjectives. for instance, if you had comma + "a ferocious reptile...", then that would be an appositive in exactly the same way as would comma + "a reptile...".

so, "double the number..." is an appositive.

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finally, note that "abstract modifier" (as you wrote above) is not distinct from "appositive"; that is a type of appositive.
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by mundasingh123 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:10 pm
Ron,
Why cant double the number ... be an absolute phrase ?
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by lunarpower » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:03 am
mundasingh123 wrote:Ron,
Why cant double the number ... be an absolute phrase ?
i'm not sure i understand this question; the only answer i can really give is "because it's not one". (a similar question would be, e.g., "why can't desk be an adverb?" -- again, because it just isn't one.)

at the end of the day, remember that knowing the names of these things is totally unimportant -- the only thing that matters is whether you know how to use them.
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