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Difference between "the more than" and "more

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by xeqtr » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:44 am
Hi, I really get confused by those two phrases. What is the particular difference in meaning and in grammatical point of view? :roll:

ie.
he set free the more than 500 slaves
he set free more than the 500 slaves

Any in depth explanation is appreciated. Thanks!
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by xeqtr » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:42 am
same concern for:

closely integrated more than ever before
more closely integrated than ever before

I know it is not about emphasize or something, I can guess the change in meaning but I am not sure if I interpret that correctly. Thanks!
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by xeqtr » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:26 am
anyone have an idea?? sorry I thought I wrote the topic completely but seems like there was a problem with that :cry:
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Re: Difference between "the more than" and "m

by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:16 am
xeqtr wrote:Hi, I really get confused by those two phrases. What is the particular difference in meaning and in grammatical point of view? :roll:

ie.
he set free the more than 500 slaves
he set free more than the 500 slaves

Any in depth explanation is appreciated. Thanks!
We would only use "the more than" if we're referring to a specific group of slaves.

For example:
He set free the more than 500 slaves who were imprisoned by his uncle.
Here's another way to think about it: ignore the "more than" part of the sentence and ask yourself would you say "the slaves" or "slaves". If you would say "the slaves", then you use "the more than". If you would say "slaves", then you use "more than".

In our example above, we'd say:
....the 500 slaves who were imprisoned by his uncle
so we use "the more than".

If it had simply been "500 slaves" then we would have said:
He set free more than 500 slaves.
In your second quote, you ask about when we'd use:
he set free more than the 500 slaves
That suggestion could be a stand alone sentence and would indicate that not only did he set free 500 slaves, but also someone/something else.

For example:
He set free more than the 500 slaves. He also set free 100 horses.
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Re: Difference between "the more than" and "m

by xeqtr » Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:43 am
Thanks Stuart, great job..now that's much clearer to me!
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Re: Difference between "the more than" and "m

by lunarpower » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:11 am
xeqtr wrote:Hi, I really get confused by those two phrases. What is the particular difference in meaning and in grammatical point of view? :roll:

ie.
he set free the more than 500 slaves
he set free more than the 500 slaves

Any in depth explanation is appreciated. Thanks!
stuart's explanation is solid, but i'd like to add a point that makes it much simpler to consider.

things like 'more than 500', 'approximately 6', etc. are just numerical quantities, and are used in exactly the same way as are other numerical quantities. so, here's the rule:
if you'd use 'the' with a simple number, you'd also use it with one of these phrases. if you wouldn't, you still wouldn't.

examples:
you'd write
during the great depression, workers often stood in the rain for the three hours necessary to obtain food rations (with the)
so ... you'd also write
during the great depression, workers often stood in the rain for the more than three hours necessary to obtain food rations (with the)

you'd write
during the great depression, workers often stood in the rain for three hours to obtain food rations (without the)
so ... you'd also write
during the great depression, workers often stood in the rain for more than three hours to obtain food rations (without the)

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by xeqtr » Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:28 pm
thx lunarpower for the addition :)
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