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by kvcpk » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:37 am
Joan of Arc, a young Frenchwoman who claimed to be divinely inspired, turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orléans and she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne.

(A) she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne
(B) persuaded Charles VII of France in claiming his throne
(C) persuading that the throne be claimed by Charles VII of France
(D) persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne
(E) persuading that Charles VII of France should claim the throne

I see a couple of meanings that make sense:
1. she turned the tide of English victories by liberating the city of Orleans, and then
2. she persuaded Charles the VII to claim his throne.

Or
1. she turned the tide of English victories by liberating the city of Orleans, and persuading Charles the VII to claim his throne.

How am I to choose between these two meanings? Please help!!
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by hardik.jadeja » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:11 am
The sentence is talking about two different activities of Joan of Arc.

Joan of Arc turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orléans
AND
She persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne.

Now if you notice, both the sentences have a common subject, Joan of Arc. So the second "she" is redundant in the original sentence. A ruled out.

The structure is "Joan turned X and persuaded Y". We need to maintain parallelism here. Since first part of sentence is using the verb "turned", the second verb will have to be "persuaded". "persuading" is wrong. So C and E ruled out.

Between B and D. "Persuade X to do Y" is the correct idiom. So pick D.

Hope that helps...
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by asamaverick » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:15 am
The first is the only viable option, second one does not make sense.

"She turned the tide of English victories by liberating the city of Orleans, and persuading Charles the VII to claim his throne."

This would indicate that she stemmed the English victories by persuading Charles VII to claim throne, there is nothing that relates the claiming of throne to stopping English victories. It doesn't make as much sense to say that part of how she stopped the English streak was by persuading Charles VII to claim his throne, and so it can't be "persuading."
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by kvcpk » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:18 am
Thanks Hardik.. Your solution makes perfect sense.. But I have a query here..
Regarding the order of events..

I see a couple of meanings that make sense:

1. she turned the tide of English victories by liberating the city of Orleans, and then
2. she persuaded Charles the VII to claim his throne.

she turned X and then Y

Or

1. she turned the tide of English victories by liberating the city of Orleans, and persuading Charles the VII to claim his throne.

she turned X BY Y AND Z

I hope you understand my question..
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by brijesh » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:50 am
kvcpk wrote:Joan of Arc, a young Frenchwoman who claimed to be divinely inspired, turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orléans and she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne.

(A) she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne (The pronoun is unnecessary)
(B) persuaded Charles VII of France in claiming his throne
(C) persuading that the throne be claimed by Charles VII of France
(D) persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne
(E) persuading that Charles VII of France should claim the throne (right ans)

Lets read the sentence like:

JA, Turned the tide.......by liberating the city of Orleans and persuading that Charles VII of France should claim the throne


Turned the tide by following two actions

1. by liberating the city of Orléans
2. persuading that Charles VII of France should claim the throne

so the two verbs (liberating & persuading) should be parallel.

not the...turned and ....pursuaded (as in option A, B, D)

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by hardik.jadeja » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:02 am
kvcpk wrote:Thanks Hardik.. Your solution makes perfect sense.. But I have a query here..
Regarding the order of events..

I see a couple of meanings that make sense:

1. she turned the tide of English victories by liberating the city of Orleans, and then
2. she persuaded Charles the VII to claim his throne.

she turned X and then Y

Or

1. she turned the tide of English victories by liberating the city of Orleans, and persuading Charles the VII to claim his throne.

she turned X BY Y AND Z

I hope you understand my question..
I think you are confused whether the sentence is referring to two different activities("turned the tide of English victories" and "persuaded Charles VII") of Joan of Arc or one activity ("turned the tide of English victories"), which she performed by doing two things("liberating the city of Orleans" and "persuading Charles the VII to claim his throne")

I believe in your second sentence you mean,

she turned the tide of English victories by doing two things
1) liberating the city of Orleans
2) persuading Charles the VII to claim his throne.

If i am correct about your doubt then here's what I think..

The original sentence is using two separate clauses
1) Joan of Arc turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orléans
2) she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne

So it means that the original sentence is referring to two different activities of Joan of Arc.
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by real2008 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:06 am
brijesh wrote:
kvcpk wrote:Joan of Arc, a young Frenchwoman who claimed to be divinely inspired, turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orléans and she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne.

(A) she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne (The pronoun is unnecessary)
(B) persuaded Charles VII of France in claiming his throne
(C) persuading that the throne be claimed by Charles VII of France
(D) persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne
(E) persuading that Charles VII of France should claim the throne (right ans)

Lets read the sentence like:

JA, Turned the tide.......by liberating the city of Orleans and persuading that Charles VII of France should claim the throne


Turned the tide by following two actions

1. by liberating the city of Orléans
2. persuading that Charles VII of France should claim the throne

so the two verbs (liberating & persuading) should be parallel.

not the...turned and ....pursuaded (as in option A, B, D)

experts comments..pls.
I wonder whether E is correct choice.
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by kvcpk » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:13 am
hardik.jadeja wrote: I think you are confused whether the sentence is referring to two different activities("turned the tide of English victories" and "persuaded Charles VII") of Joan of Arc or one activity ("turned the tide of English victories"), which she performed by doing two things("liberating the city of Orleans" and "persuading Charles the VII to claim his throne")
I believe in your second sentence you mean,
she turned the tide of English victories by doing two things
1) liberating the city of Orleans
2) persuading Charles the VII to claim his throne.
You got exactly what I am speaking about..
How can we know that there are two separate clauses in the question? I believe, If we look at the sentence from an other direction, the way I am interpreting also looks correct. Isnt it So?
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by hardik.jadeja » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:23 am
kvcpk wrote:
hardik.jadeja wrote: I think you are confused whether the sentence is referring to two different activities("turned the tide of English victories" and "persuaded Charles VII") of Joan of Arc or one activity ("turned the tide of English victories"), which she performed by doing two things("liberating the city of Orleans" and "persuading Charles the VII to claim his throne")
I believe in your second sentence you mean,
she turned the tide of English victories by doing two things
1) liberating the city of Orleans
2) persuading Charles the VII to claim his throne.
You got exactly what I am speaking about..
How can we know that there are two separate clauses in the question? I believe, If we look at the sentence from an other direction, the way I am interpreting also looks correct. Isnt it So?
If the sentence is referring to one activity ("turned the tide of English victories"), which she performed by doing two things("liberating the city of Orleans" and "persuading Charles the VII to claim his throne"), then none of the answer choices are correct.

The correct answer would have been

Joan of Arc, a young Frenchwoman who claimed to be divinely inspired, turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orléans and by persuading Charles VII of France to claim his throne.

Observe the "X and Y" parallelism..

Hope that helps
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by jube » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:35 am
I'd pick D in this one because both the persuading constructions sound awkward ('that' is superfluous and 'by' is missing).

I would like to know though why persuade isn't parallel to liberate here...
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by Haaress » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:56 am
IMO D, @kvcpk, whats the OA?
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by kvcpk » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:12 am
OA is D
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by GMATGuruNY » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:27 pm
kvcpk wrote:Joan of Arc, a young Frenchwoman who claimed to be divinely inspired, turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orléans and she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne.

(A) she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne
(B) persuaded Charles VII of France in claiming his throne
(C) persuading that the throne be claimed by Charles VII of France
(D) persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne
(E) persuading that Charles VII of France should claim the throne

I see a couple of meanings that make sense:
1. she turned the tide of English victories by liberating the city of Orleans, and then
2. she persuaded Charles the VII to claim his throne.

Or
1. she turned the tide of English victories by liberating the city of Orleans, and persuading Charles the VII to claim his throne.

How am I to choose between these two meanings? Please help!!
Much easier just to deal with the idiom:

You persuade someone to do something.

Eliminate all but A and D.

Only one difference between A and D: answer choice A includes the pronoun she, which is not needed.

The correct answer is D.

A word of advice:

Grammar trumps meaning. Look for grammatical errors first; then worry about meaning.
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by kvcpk » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:17 pm
Thanks for your advice Mitch !!
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by brijesh » Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:11 am
I see a couple of meanings that make sense:
1. she turned the tide of English victories by liberating the city of Orleans, and then
2. she persuaded Charles the VII to claim his throne.

Or
1. she turned the tide of English victories by liberating the city of Orleans, and persuading Charles the VII to claim his throne.

How am I to choose between these two meanings? Please help!![/quote]

Much easier just to deal with the idiom:

You persuade someone to do something.

Eliminate all but A and D.

Only one difference between A and D: answer choice A includes the pronoun she, which is not needed.

The correct answer is D.

A word of advice:

Grammar trumps meaning. Look for grammatical errors first; then worry about meaning.

Thank you Mitch!
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