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Inequality Question for Stuart Kovinsky

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by beat2009 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:16 am
Stuart, having noticed the superb quality of your insights on other posts, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that you might tack a crack at the following question from one of my official GMAT CATs (the software from the testmakers). I think it highlights a fundamental question about inequalities that may help other students more broadly:

Question: Is x less than 20?
(St 1): The sum of x and y is less than 20.
(St 2): y is less than 20.

OA is E. My problem is NOT seeing why E is correct. I can easily pick numbers and prove why that is so. The thing that has me baffled is why a straightforward algebraic approach doesn't work (see my next paragraph). But, I always thought you could add inequalities as long as the ineq symbol was pointed in the same direction. In my practice thus far, that's the approach I've taken and it's always worked.

So, when I saw this question, I quickly wrote the question as "Is x<20", statement 1 as "x+y < 20" statement 2 as "y< 20." Then, after quickly eliminating S1 & S2, I subtracted S2 from S1 and I got x < 0. If x<0, then x is less than 20. So I picked C and moved on, thinking I'd cracked it. Where did I go wrong? Is the fundamental issue that while you can ADD ineqs (as long as ineq symbol pointed in the same way), that you CAN't subtract them? I thought I'd shredded this one quickly and was surprised to see the result. Where am I going astray here? Many thanks.
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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:48 pm
Hmmm, maybe this one is too tough for Stuart :-)

That, of course, is a joke, since I would be hard pressed to find a question that he can't both answer AND explain eloquently.
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by Osirus@VeritasPrep » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:48 pm
I'm not Stuart but I can give this a shot.

With inequalities you can only add the two statements together you can never subtract them. The choice is E because you do not know whether or not Y is positive.

If y is pos and less than 20 then the answer is C because the equation would then be x = 20 - y, which is always less than 20.

If y is negative however, x could equal 30 and y could equal -50
30 + ( -50) = -20 which is less than 20 but x is still greater than 20. You need to know whether or not y is positive to answer this question. Hope that helped.
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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:03 pm
beat2009 wrote:Stuart, having noticed the superb quality of your insights on other posts, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that you might tack a crack at the following question from one of my official GMAT CATs (the software from the testmakers). I think it highlights a fundamental question about inequalities that may help other students more broadly:

Question: Is x less than 20?
(St 1): The sum of x and y is less than 20.
(St 2): y is less than 20.

OA is E. My problem is NOT seeing why E is correct. I can easily pick numbers and prove why that is so. The thing that has me baffled is why a straightforward algebraic approach doesn't work (see my next paragraph). But, I always thought you could add inequalities as long as the ineq symbol was pointed in the same direction. In my practice thus far, that's the approach I've taken and it's always worked.

So, when I saw this question, I quickly wrote the question as "Is x<20", statement 1 as "x+y < 20" statement 2 as "y< 20." Then, after quickly eliminating S1 & S2, I subtracted S2 from S1 and I got x < 0. If x<0, then x is less than 20. So I picked C and moved on, thinking I'd cracked it. Where did I go wrong? Is the fundamental issue that while you can ADD ineqs (as long as ineq symbol pointed in the same way), that you CAN't subtract them? I thought I'd shredded this one quickly and was surprised to see the result. Where am I going astray here? Many thanks.
Well hi there!

The rule is actually a bit more complicated than that; in fact, it's so complicated that I'm not sure it's worth knowing. It relates to how many variables are in the system, where the variables are, which sign the inequality is facing and what the signs are throughout the inequality.

We can't just say we can always add inequalities either. For example:

x - y > 20
x + y > 30

If we add them together, we get x > 50. However, we can see that x=40 and y=1 satisfy both rules.

So, while there are some situations in which we can add and subtract inequalities, there are many in which we can't, making it unsafe for general application on the GMAT.
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by beat2009 » Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:08 am
Exceptional stuff, all. Thanks Osirus. Stuart, you did not disappoint--terrific insight and a lesson I won't soon forget. Funny how it's the questions you get wrong that yield the lessons with the most stickiness.
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by hk_4u » Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:56 am
We can't just say we can always add inequalities either. For example:

x - y > 20
x + y > 30

If we add them together, we get x > 50. However, we can see that x=40 and y=1 satisfy both rules.

So, while there are some situations in which we can add and subtract inequalities, there are many in which we can't, making it unsafe for general application on the GMAT.
I guess this should be

2x > 50
or
x > 25

Stuart - IF adding is unsafe , we have a major problem in hand . How else will one solve inequalities ?
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