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by voodoo_child » Sat May 28, 2011 5:21 pm
What's wrong with this construction ?

Research on "sounds waves" is moving beyond simple recording of their occurrences and it will soon be focused on understanding acoustics.

it will soon be focused on understanding acoustics.
will be soon focused on understanding of acoustics.
will soon be focused on understanding acoustics.
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Any help is greatly appreciated...

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Is this sentence correct ?
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by Ashley@VeritasPrep » Sat May 28, 2011 6:51 pm
Hi,

Pronouns can easily sneak by looking innocent, so it's super important for GMAT purposes (and arguably for clear communication in general) to develop very sensitive pronoun radar. (It turns out this skill comes easily if you have a grandmother, as I do, who speaks like 90% in pronouns that lack clear referents, and because of that very tendency, you have lots of experience not knowing what in the world she's talking about!)

So in your sentence, the "it" triggers the radar and we start looking to make sure that "it" is behaving exactly as it should. "What does 'it' refer back to?" is a good first question. And it turns out it's ambiguous here -- "it" could refer to "research" or to "simple recording." But if we remove that "it," then "research" becomes -- unambiguously -- the subject of both of the sentence's verbs: "research is moving" and "research will soon be focused." There's the fix that eliminates the ambiguity.

Does that help?
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by voodoo_child » Sat May 28, 2011 7:39 pm
Ashley@VeritasPrep wrote:Hi,

Pronouns can easily sneak by looking innocent, so it's super important for GMAT purposes (and arguably for clear communication in general) to develop very sensitive pronoun radar. (It turns out this skill comes easily if you have a grandmother, as I do, who speaks like 90% in pronouns that lack clear referents, and because of that very tendency, you have lots of experience not knowing what in the world she's talking about!)

So in your sentence, the "it" triggers the radar and we start looking to make sure that "it" is behaving exactly as it should. "What does 'it' refer back to?" is a good first question. And it turns out it's ambiguous here -- "it" could refer to "research" or to "simple recording." But if we remove that "it," then "research" becomes -- unambiguously -- the subject of both of the sentence's verbs: "research is moving" and "research will soon be focused." There's the fix that eliminates the ambiguity.

Does that help?
I agree. The only reason why I got confused was that the OExplanation said that the sentence becomes "run-on sentence" with it. It destroys "conjuctiveness." :) It just went tangent to me :(

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by confuse mind » Mon May 30, 2011 3:33 am
Ashley@VeritasPrep wrote:Hi,

Pronouns can easily sneak by looking innocent, so it's super important for GMAT purposes (and arguably for clear communication in general) to develop very sensitive pronoun radar. (It turns out this skill comes easily if you have a grandmother, as I do, who speaks like 90% in pronouns that lack clear referents, and because of that very tendency, you have lots of experience not knowing what in the world she's talking about!)

So in your sentence, the "it" triggers the radar and we start looking to make sure that "it" is behaving exactly as it should. "What does 'it' refer back to?" is a good first question. And it turns out it's ambiguous here -- "it" could refer to "research" or to "simple recording." But if we remove that "it," then "research" becomes -- unambiguously -- the subject of both of the sentence's verbs: "research is moving" and "research will soon be focused." There's the fix that eliminates the ambiguity.

Does that help?
Do you mean that the pronoun in the following sentence is ambigious

Ram killed Shyam and he will be marry his daughter now.

I feel that he is not ambigious while his is since subject of second part wil refer to the subject of first part.

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by Ashley@VeritasPrep » Mon May 30, 2011 2:51 pm
Hi confuse mind,
Do you mean that the pronoun in the following sentence is ambigious

Ram killed Shyam and he will marry his daughter now.

I feel that he is not ambigious while his is since subject of second part wil refer to the subject of first part.
Hmm... I would actually argue that both the he and the his ARE ambiguous, grammatically speaking, in your sentence.

The thing is, we've got two independent clauses (i.e. two phrases each of which COULD stand alone as a complete sentence):
(1) Ram killed Shyam.
(2) He will marry his daughter now.
If we choose to join these two sentences into one with a conjunction, we've formed a true compound sentence, and whenever you form a true compound sentence, you need a comma before the conjunction. (That's also, incidentally, why the OG says that the original sentence in question here creates a run-on, though to me the pronoun issue is the bigger problem with it -- and the easier one to spot, since pronouns are grammar-based whereas run-ons are more punctuation-based.) So if we're going to retain those two sentences and just join them, we're required to revise to
Ram killed Shyam, and he will marry his daughter now.
But once that comma intervenes to separate the two clauses fully, I don't think the "he" of our second independent clause is under any obligation to link to the subject of our first independent clause. (After all, the clauses are independent.) It might link to the subject or the object.

It's true that strictly semantically, the referent of that "he" is probably clear, since dead people don't marry people. But we've depended on the meaning -- not the grammar -- for that clarity. Furthermore, if this were mythological or something, dead people still probably could marry people!

Consider the following two sentences:
Sarah passed the phone to Laura because she couldn't bring herself to speak.
Sarah passed the phone to Laura, but she couldn't bring herself to speak.

I'd say that meaning-wise, it's clear that the "she" of the first refers to our subject Sarah and that the "she" of the second refers to our object Laura. This suggests that the "she" has the flexibility to point to either of the girls, though, and strictly grammar-wise I don't think the referent is clear in either sentence.

So it seems to me that the best way to revise the Ram/Shyam sentence to be safely clear in terms of its grammar is to take out that pronoun "he," because then (a) there's no need for a comma and (b) "will marry" will share the subject ("Ram") established before, since no other subject intervenes and offers itself. (This subject-sharing -- when a single subject reaches out to two verbs -- is that "conjunctiveness" the OG referred to. :)) You'd still have ambiguity going on with the "his," though, as you say.
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by voodoo_child » Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:31 am
Ashley@VeritasPrep wrote:Hi confuse mind,
So it seems to me that the best way to revise the Ram/Shyam sentence to be safely clear in terms of its grammar is to take out that pronoun "he," because then (a) there's no need for a comma and (b) "will marry" will share the subject ("Ram") established before, since no other subject intervenes and offers itself. (This subject-sharing -- when a single subject reaches out to two verbs -- is that "conjunctiveness" the OG referred to. :)) You'd still have ambiguity going on with the "his," though, as you say.
If we remove "he" from the sentence, i believe that the sentence will still be ambiguous because :

(I am changing the sentence because there are a number of misleading logical interpretations associated with marriage.)

Ram killed Shyam, and he ate his cake.

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Changed to

Ram killed Shyam, and ate his cake.

His refers to whom ? I am not clear....:(

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by Ashley@VeritasPrep » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:03 am
Exactly, the "his" will still be ambiguous in that construction ("Ram killed Shyam and ate his cake"). The sentence will be LESS ambiguous than the original "Ram killed Shyam, and he ate his cake" -- because in that original, we don't even know who's doing the eating. If we get rid of the "he" and go for "Ram killed Shyam and ate his cake," we KNOW Ram is doing the eating, because Ram is the only subject, so the verb "ate" will latch onto him. But you're exactly right that we still wouldn't know whose cake it was, Ram's or Shyam's, unless we specified.
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