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by streetpunkstar » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:45 pm
I just left my third attempt at a GMAT (result, 600, Q66 V43.)

While my score is higher than my last two (580, 550) I don't think its enough to offset my GPA... I think I needed a 650+.

Is there a program for me near Denver, Colorado? U of Denver and U of Colorado-Denver have GMAT averages of 550-580, but I think I needed a little more to offset. Is there anything I can do? :(

Ugrad GPA: Mechanical Engineering, Rochester Institute of Tech, 2.3 GPA (decreasing trend)
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by Lisa Anderson » Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:11 am
Dear streetpunkstar,

While I understand you are disappointed with your last GMAT attempt, please do not feel you will not get into a solid MBA program. I do think there is a program for you. Your evaluation as an applicant and the decision to admit you is based on more than your GPA and GMAT. I think you are justified in your concern, but I also think you have to look at the complete picture and what else you have to present to demonstrate you have what it takes to succeed. I highly encourage you to speak with someone at U of Denver and U of Colorado-Denver. With your GMAT being above the average now, and a strong professional track record, you might still have a chance. I do think you are wise to look for some other programs in the area--perhaps spread the net to Fort Collins?

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by streetpunkstar » Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:18 am
As you've guessed, I looked at U. Colorado-Denver, but also Boulder. As well as U. Denver. (Those are the three I sent my scores to.)

I know Colorado State admits 10+ yrs. work experience, so thats far fetched... And local Regis University I hear rumors that it is not a solid MBA program (it also doesn't require a GMAT.)

Could you recommend me to some in the Denver-Fort Collins-Colorado Springs area? These are the schools that have been on my radar so far.

Thanks for the input. :)

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by chendawg » Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:32 am
This might seem to be a dumb question, but when I'm looking for courses, am I looking for undergraduate or graduate courses for my alternative transcript? Thanks!
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by Lisa Anderson » Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:53 am
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Undergraduate courses are fine and often preferred.

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by KA08 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:13 pm
Dear Lisa,

Been reading through this thread and I find myself in the same situation.

Here is my story:
GMAT: 700 (90%), Q:47 (77%), V:39 (87%), AW:5.5 (77%)
Undergrad: B.S. Chemical Engineering, Top 25 (Public school). GPA: 2.93/4.00. 3.10 in final year. Math courses were Bs and Cs (Years 1&2) but engineering courses were all Bs or As (Years 3&4). I will address this in an additional essay.
Additional Course: 'A' in Management Accounting (Cost Accounting) extension course

Work Experience (All at same Blue Chip company, Fortune 100):
Current - General Supervisor of manufacturing factory. I have 8 direct reports, 3 of which are shift supervisors. A total of 80 people under me.
Previous - Six Sigma Black Belt. Led global supply chain development/improvement projects across multiple global sites (UK, Singapore, US). Coached 10-15 green belts. Prior role was Engineer at same company. Promoted 2 times since starting - labeled as high potential employee. Will have 6 years work experience at start of B-school.

Extra-Circulars & Leadership: Junior Achievement (teaching elementary grade students). Cycling. Triathlons.

Target Schools: UCLA Part-time (Round 1, Class of 2015), USC Part-time (Round 1, Class of 2015)

Male, 28 (at start), Asian (born in America)

Post business school goals: Supply Chain Management

What do you think? Do I have a chance?

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by Lisa Anderson » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:41 pm
Dear KA08,

I do think you have a chance at both UCLA and USC part-time programs. There are many positives in your profile. Aside from putting together a great application package, my only other recommendation to you is to visit both programs, go to a class, etc., if you haven't already done so. Visiting campus will not only help you write your essay on why that program is a good fit for you (and vice versa), but also convey your strong interest in the program.

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by richwang » Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:48 pm
Hi Lisa:

I received a ~2.9 GPA with somewhat upward trend at UCLA for a B.S. in Chemical Engineering. I applied last year to only a few top 10 schools with a GMAT of 770, but I don't think I had enough experience (2 years as a project manager @ networking giant in Silicon Valley). I want to take this next year to bolster my undergraduate GPA, and am going to take 2 or 3 quarters of undergraduate community college courses to hopefully receive A's in them. I would like to then apply in the fall of 2012, with about 4 years experience.

I'm planning to take Accounting/Economics courses because they are quantitative and would broaden my skillset. Is this a wise approach? What other types of courses at community college should I look into?

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by Lisa Anderson » Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:14 am
Dear Rich,

If you did not do well in your calculus coursework at UCLA, then you might want to take calculus. I think you could also take any of the quantitative business classes, like statistics, accounting, finance, or economics. Other than that, you could consider other business courses like strategy, marketing or management to introduce you to the theories and concepts you will study in business school.

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by dave.r.mueller » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:28 am
Lisa,

My question is whether or not I need to explain my GPA in the optional essay. I did my undergrad at Cornell, where I majored in Business and received a 3.24 GPA. Sophomore year I had a D- in an elective class, and if I exclude this class my GPA bumps up to 3.34. If I exclude my entire sophomore year my GPA bumps up to 3.37.

GMAT (percentile Q/V) score is 700 (73%/89%), I've passed the Level I CFA, and I have 4 years of investment banking experience in NYC.

I'd like to get into a top 20 program (top 10 ideally) and think I have a good story. I just can't decide if it will hurt or help to discuss what happened with the GPA.

Thanks for the advice!
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by Lisa Anderson » Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:51 pm
Dear Dave,

It is a tough call for your situation. On the surface, your cumulative GPA at 3.24 is in a competitive range and your GMAT, CFA Level 1, and professional experience all provide evidence of your academic ability. Without seeing your entire transcript and learning more about your background, it is hard to say if an optional is necessary. I don't think an optional will hurt you; the admissions committees will notice your D- and any low grades or trends. The question is if you feel an optional is necessary to make your compelling case for admission. Do you have mitigating circumstances that affected your performance your sophomore year? Do your grades in quant classes indicate you struggle with quant coursework? Think about your background and how the rest of your application will measure up; then you can determine if an optional might actually be helpful for your applications.

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by harsh.champ » Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:19 pm
Hi Lisa,
I did my undergrad in Petroleum Engineering from Indian School Of Mines ,India.Its admission is through the prestigious IIT-JEE(Indian Institute of Technology-Joint Entrance Examination)in which I got a rank of 3682 amongst a pool of 2 lakh+ aspirants(top 2%)in my 1st attempt(Many people take a drop of 1-2 yrs for preparation after XIIth standard).Over there ,the grading is done on the scale of 10.My GPA was 6.68/10 whereas the GPA of our branch topper was 8.9/10,so I guess(Correct me if I am wrong) that makes my GPA to be (6.68/8.9)*4 =3.0(on a 4 scale).The GPA declined in the 2nd yr and increased a bit in the later 2 yrs.After passing out I joined a govt. E & P (Exploration & Production) petroleum company as a Reservoir Engineer and have a work ex. of 26 months till date.My job requires analysing data and predicting performance based on that(Simulation Work).The job entails site visit due to which I have also worked on offshore rigs for a brief period.
I can expect to get a GMAT score of 750+(based on practice tests).

3rd Language:-I also have a basic knowledge of French language and have been studying it for quite some time.In school also I got the French prize for topping my class in that particular subject.
My mother tongue is Hindi and I am equally conversant in English.

Hobbies:-Playing Guitar- Part of a jamming band(Been playing since college),playing computer games,anagrams,avid movie watcher.


Sports:-Table Tennis,Tennis(among the top players in my college).I also play football after my office hours with the colleagues,regular office gym goer.

Extra Info:- I was also the district topper of my zone in Xth standard(CBSE Board).In science subject I had got 99/100(top 0.1% in India in Science) and hence was selected among the few people in India for a science meet.Prior to Xth,I had studied in a boarding school.

At my workplace,there is a policy of promotion after 4 years so I am presently on the same post on which I was recruited.Have mentored juniors in the company(in other department) in their work.I currently represent my department in Data Management.

Concerns:-1)Low GPA
2)No significant community work(was partly involved with a NGO that was formed in our college that used to provide education to underprivileged children)
3)No subordinates at work(But part of a very independent team as our department is very small and in its growing phase).How can I show more competiteveness at work?


As guided by you,I am looking forward to taking calculus and statistics classes and presenting an alternate transcript to make up for my low Math class grades in Engineering.With more effort,I can also improve my GMAT score to be in the 780-800 range.

I am also planning to take the DELF Certification Exam for French Language in November which is issued by the French Ministry(If it doesn't add more value,I can rather concentrate on my application and the Quant classes-Whats your opinion?)

I am planning to apply in the R2(maybe R1) for schools in the top 10 category.

I would be the 1st person in my family to do a Masters.

Thanks in Advance,
Harsh.
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by Lisa Anderson » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:50 am
Dear Harsh,

Your GPA is a 6.68 out of 10 if it is a 10 point scale at your university; it does not matter what anyone else did as that does not change your grades. How that translates to a GPA on a 4 point scale depends on several factors at your school. The most accurate translation would be from a credentialing service for a nominal fee. If your GPA is below the average of the MBA programs you are targeting, then a high GMAT score (730+) plus a few courses will help to mitigate it. The DELF Certification might be useful if you are planning to apply to French schools, or perhaps some other EU schools, but probably not significant value to your applications unless proficiency in French is required/recommended. To your other concerns, you must balance your lack of extracurricular activities since college with strengths in other parts of your application--like a high GMAT, successful career, etc. It is not a requirement you supervise people in the workplace; what would be helpful is for you to have an example (or two) you can write about in your essays and/or talk about in your interviews where you lead a team to accomplish a goal.

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by chendawg » Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:13 am
Hey Lisa-

I have the opportunity to choose among taking a macroeconomics class, a marketing class, or a management class. I will be taking a microeconomics class so I was wondering if I should take the macroeconomics class concurrently (I have taken it before; got a B -) or one of the other two options? Thanks!
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by Lisa Anderson » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:35 am
Dear chendawg,

If you are trying to demonstrate quantitative/analytical skills by earning high marks, then take the macroeconomics class. If you have sufficient evidence of quantitative ability and want a chance to learn some terminology, concepts and theories prior to business school, then take either the marketing or management class.

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