Lisa -- just to quickly add to my long post above, I should add the following to my experience and extra-curriculars:
- I worked part time as a consultant for a year to 18 months performing economic research and analysis of energy market decisions for a professor at an Asian university (all online correspondence).
- I volunteered as a tutor for an inner city elementary school on a weekly basis for two school years.
Thanks again!
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Dear city_guy_18,
You noted that you are applying to Executive MBA programs, so I think it is important for you to understand that admissions is a little different than for a traditional, full-time program (which is what the majority of the posts are referring to). With the amount of time you have been out of school, your GPA is important, but not seen as significant an indicator of your academic ability as it would be with only 2-3 years experience. Taking a couple math courses would be helpful to not only demonstrate your aptitude, but also to prepare you for business school. Secondly, you do want to do well on the GMAT, but scoring over a 650 will put you in a competitive position for most EMBA programs. Like for other MBA programs, the GPA and GMAT are only part of the puzzle and do not count more than the other parts. As such, it is your professional experience and career goals that are critical to the EMBA admissions process.
You need to convey your successful track record and show that you have gained a breadth/depth of experience in your field. Likewise, you need to show how business school is the appropriate next step in your career and how your future goals relate to your past experience and the EMBA program. Finally, it is important for you to know that making a career change after completing an executive program is not the same as for those in a full-time program. Your search will be longer and be done primarily through networking.
I would encourage you to visit the EMBA programs you are considering and talk with the admissions folks and current students to determine if the EMBA is the right program for you. You certainly have enough experience, but you want to make sure it will meet your expectations.
Best of luck,
Lisa
You noted that you are applying to Executive MBA programs, so I think it is important for you to understand that admissions is a little different than for a traditional, full-time program (which is what the majority of the posts are referring to). With the amount of time you have been out of school, your GPA is important, but not seen as significant an indicator of your academic ability as it would be with only 2-3 years experience. Taking a couple math courses would be helpful to not only demonstrate your aptitude, but also to prepare you for business school. Secondly, you do want to do well on the GMAT, but scoring over a 650 will put you in a competitive position for most EMBA programs. Like for other MBA programs, the GPA and GMAT are only part of the puzzle and do not count more than the other parts. As such, it is your professional experience and career goals that are critical to the EMBA admissions process.
You need to convey your successful track record and show that you have gained a breadth/depth of experience in your field. Likewise, you need to show how business school is the appropriate next step in your career and how your future goals relate to your past experience and the EMBA program. Finally, it is important for you to know that making a career change after completing an executive program is not the same as for those in a full-time program. Your search will be longer and be done primarily through networking.
I would encourage you to visit the EMBA programs you are considering and talk with the admissions folks and current students to determine if the EMBA is the right program for you. You certainly have enough experience, but you want to make sure it will meet your expectations.
Best of luck,
Lisa
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Hi Lisa,
Thanks so much for your response -- very helpful!
Just a couple of brief follow up questions:
(1) What math courses would you suggest taking if I've already taken calculus and stats (although it was a while back as you note)?
(2) Would the same advice apply if I were to consider pursuing a part time program? Would I have more choices?
Thanks in advance!
Thanks so much for your response -- very helpful!
Just a couple of brief follow up questions:
(1) What math courses would you suggest taking if I've already taken calculus and stats (although it was a while back as you note)?
(2) Would the same advice apply if I were to consider pursuing a part time program? Would I have more choices?
Thanks in advance!
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Finance professors say that the best preparation is math courses like college algebra, finite math and calculus. So, if it has been a long time and/or you did not do well in those courses, then those would certainly be reasonable options. You could also consider an accounting or finance class as a way to get a heads up on the terminology.
Part-time programs are similar to EMBA programs in that both have students who are continuing to work and are not designed for those wanting a significant career change. However, the average work experience for a part-time program tends to be about 5-7 years rather than the 14-16 years for the true EMBA programs. Either way, both of these options expect the applicants to have a strong rationale for business school and a successful, professional track record.
Good luck,
Lisa
Part-time programs are similar to EMBA programs in that both have students who are continuing to work and are not designed for those wanting a significant career change. However, the average work experience for a part-time program tends to be about 5-7 years rather than the 14-16 years for the true EMBA programs. Either way, both of these options expect the applicants to have a strong rationale for business school and a successful, professional track record.
Good luck,
Lisa
I have posted several months ago, but my situation has changed since then.
I have an associates degree in general studies with a 2.3 gpa
I have a bachelor's degree in Religion with a 2.89 gpa
Cumulative GPA is 2.64
Since college, I managed a fitness club for 3 years and served as a National Sales Manager for a trade show production company for 3 years. I was recently laid off due to massive job cuts.
In this time off, I have decided to go back to school. Kennesaw State University is right up the road and I am planning on enrolling this fall. I was thinking of getting a B.B.A in Economics and I will need about 60 hours to get this. My end goal is to be accepted into Emory or GA Tech's MBA program. I know due to my low GPA this will be a challenge. I have yet to take the GMAT, but based on practice test, I fully anticipate making in the 620-660 range.
Here are my questions:
Assuming I can maintain a 3.8-4.0 GPA while earning my my BBA in Economics. Will this negate my previous GPA and give me a competitive application for Emory or GA Tech's full time program?
If this is a long shot and a 2nd degree will not help me with one of these top two schools, after 30 hours or so, will I have a competitive application for either of their part time programs?
I strongly desire an MBA from a top university. I am willing to get a second degree just to get in, however, if I can take less hours just to get into one of their part time programs, I would rather do that. Please advise on the most efficient/realistic way to accomplish my goal.
Thank you
I have an associates degree in general studies with a 2.3 gpa
I have a bachelor's degree in Religion with a 2.89 gpa
Cumulative GPA is 2.64
Since college, I managed a fitness club for 3 years and served as a National Sales Manager for a trade show production company for 3 years. I was recently laid off due to massive job cuts.
In this time off, I have decided to go back to school. Kennesaw State University is right up the road and I am planning on enrolling this fall. I was thinking of getting a B.B.A in Economics and I will need about 60 hours to get this. My end goal is to be accepted into Emory or GA Tech's MBA program. I know due to my low GPA this will be a challenge. I have yet to take the GMAT, but based on practice test, I fully anticipate making in the 620-660 range.
Here are my questions:
Assuming I can maintain a 3.8-4.0 GPA while earning my my BBA in Economics. Will this negate my previous GPA and give me a competitive application for Emory or GA Tech's full time program?
If this is a long shot and a 2nd degree will not help me with one of these top two schools, after 30 hours or so, will I have a competitive application for either of their part time programs?
I strongly desire an MBA from a top university. I am willing to get a second degree just to get in, however, if I can take less hours just to get into one of their part time programs, I would rather do that. Please advise on the most efficient/realistic way to accomplish my goal.
Thank you
Hi Lisa,
Before I move onto my question, let me give you a brief background.
I have been a straight A student in school. In college, I got more focussed on my extra curricular activities. I held major leadership roles in these extra curricular activities like club secretary and team captain. I also play in my college band and have won many competitions. My social service activities are numerous in and outside college. This led me to not do very well in my academics. I even failed one subject in my 4th semester, though I have cleared it now. But the F grade still reflects on my transcript. My GMAT score is mediocre, 640, but at aiming for a 700+ in my next attempt. Also, I have two summer internships, in my chosen career path, under my belt and have excellent recommendations from both employers.
Right now, I am planning to work for two years and then start applying to universities and I really want to get into one of the top 10 US MBA programs. At the moment my GPA is 2.5 and I doing my engineering in Computer Science from the best institution in the country, India.
I was wondering -
1. If my GPA and transcript would be a major sticking point while I am applying to MBA universities in the US?
2. How much importance does the admissions committee give to GPA when looking at the all round application?
3. Is there a way I could justify the grades in my transcript?
Thanks!
Before I move onto my question, let me give you a brief background.
I have been a straight A student in school. In college, I got more focussed on my extra curricular activities. I held major leadership roles in these extra curricular activities like club secretary and team captain. I also play in my college band and have won many competitions. My social service activities are numerous in and outside college. This led me to not do very well in my academics. I even failed one subject in my 4th semester, though I have cleared it now. But the F grade still reflects on my transcript. My GMAT score is mediocre, 640, but at aiming for a 700+ in my next attempt. Also, I have two summer internships, in my chosen career path, under my belt and have excellent recommendations from both employers.
Right now, I am planning to work for two years and then start applying to universities and I really want to get into one of the top 10 US MBA programs. At the moment my GPA is 2.5 and I doing my engineering in Computer Science from the best institution in the country, India.
I was wondering -
1. If my GPA and transcript would be a major sticking point while I am applying to MBA universities in the US?
2. How much importance does the admissions committee give to GPA when looking at the all round application?
3. Is there a way I could justify the grades in my transcript?
Thanks!
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Dear nickp33,
Assuming I can maintain a 3.8-4.0 GPA while earning my my BBA in Economics. Will this negate my previous GPA and give me a competitive application for Emory or GA Tech's full time program?
It will not negate your previous GPA, but will demonstrate you have the ability and maturity to succeed in the classroom. Since it takes more than a high GPA (or GMAT) to be competitive for a school, you cannot guarantee admission because you do well. However, earning A's in new coursework, especially quantitative coursework, will certainly strengthen your application.
If this is a long shot and a 2nd degree will not help me with one of these top two schools, after 30 hours or so, will I have a competitive application for either of their part time programs?
As stated above, earning A's in some new courses will not necessarily make you competitive for any school, but will certainly strengthen your chances. You must also have a good GMAT score, great essays, outstanding recommendations, and a positive interview. I would suggest visiting Emory and Georgia Tech to get a solid understanding of what they seek in their applicants; then you can work on getting your application as close to that as possible.
Good luck,
Lisa
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Dear fused,
1. If my GPA and transcript would be a major sticking point while I am applying to MBA universities in the US?
Your academic history, alone, will not result in a rejection. However, it will cause concern, so you need to have other parts of your application to mitigate your performance. For example, a high GMAT (>700) will help. Since you are looking to apply within a couple of years of graduating, you might want to think about taking some additional courses if you have not performed substantially better in your last two years.
2. How much importance does the admissions committee give to GPA when looking at the all round application?
The GPA is not viewed as any more or less important than any other part of the application. All parts are viewed significant.
3. Is there a way I could justify the grades in my transcript?
Perhaps, but I don't know enough about you to know if there is a reasonable explanation. Being overly involved in extracurriculars and having your grades suffer is not that uncommon. However, you need to convey your maturity since that time and make a compelling case that your performance in business school will be different.
Good luck,
Lisa
Assuming I can maintain a 3.8-4.0 GPA while earning my my BBA in Economics. Will this negate my previous GPA and give me a competitive application for Emory or GA Tech's full time program?
It will not negate your previous GPA, but will demonstrate you have the ability and maturity to succeed in the classroom. Since it takes more than a high GPA (or GMAT) to be competitive for a school, you cannot guarantee admission because you do well. However, earning A's in new coursework, especially quantitative coursework, will certainly strengthen your application.
If this is a long shot and a 2nd degree will not help me with one of these top two schools, after 30 hours or so, will I have a competitive application for either of their part time programs?
As stated above, earning A's in some new courses will not necessarily make you competitive for any school, but will certainly strengthen your chances. You must also have a good GMAT score, great essays, outstanding recommendations, and a positive interview. I would suggest visiting Emory and Georgia Tech to get a solid understanding of what they seek in their applicants; then you can work on getting your application as close to that as possible.
Good luck,
Lisa
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Dear fused,
1. If my GPA and transcript would be a major sticking point while I am applying to MBA universities in the US?
Your academic history, alone, will not result in a rejection. However, it will cause concern, so you need to have other parts of your application to mitigate your performance. For example, a high GMAT (>700) will help. Since you are looking to apply within a couple of years of graduating, you might want to think about taking some additional courses if you have not performed substantially better in your last two years.
2. How much importance does the admissions committee give to GPA when looking at the all round application?
The GPA is not viewed as any more or less important than any other part of the application. All parts are viewed significant.
3. Is there a way I could justify the grades in my transcript?
Perhaps, but I don't know enough about you to know if there is a reasonable explanation. Being overly involved in extracurriculars and having your grades suffer is not that uncommon. However, you need to convey your maturity since that time and make a compelling case that your performance in business school will be different.
Good luck,
Lisa
hi,lisa.I would like to get some advices from you.My GPA is 2.9 for undergrad.My degree was business admin,and major in finance.And currently I am doing MS in finance and I've finished most of the subjects and current GPA is 3.9 and now I'm working on my dissertation.I do not have any formal working experiences but got some solid recommendations from the faculty.I'm planning to take GMAT soon.I'm not quite sure about wether go for a MBA or PHD in finance.however my major concern is again,the undergrad GPA.it seems quite low for top business schools.will a high GMAT score help in this case?my expectation is Wharton.I really dont have any clues about where I stand and what I should do to make myself attractive to the admission co.Please give me some ideas and advices on how to put up my materials together to become more appealing.thanks
thanks very much!!!
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Dear iboha,
Whether to do a PhD or a MBA program depends on what you want to do with your career. I think you need to determine your career goals first and perhaps gain some work experience before making a choice between these two degree programs. If you decide you want to go to business school, then a high GMAT will mitigate your undergraduate GPA as will your grades in the MS Finance program. As for how to present yourself in your applications, I encourage you to do some research on business schools to gain a better understanding of both the degree program and the career opportunities post-MBA.
Good luck,
Lisa
Whether to do a PhD or a MBA program depends on what you want to do with your career. I think you need to determine your career goals first and perhaps gain some work experience before making a choice between these two degree programs. If you decide you want to go to business school, then a high GMAT will mitigate your undergraduate GPA as will your grades in the MS Finance program. As for how to present yourself in your applications, I encourage you to do some research on business schools to gain a better understanding of both the degree program and the career opportunities post-MBA.
Good luck,
Lisa
Hi Lisa,
I recently graduated in May from a small private liberal arts school with a 2.6 overall GPA, however my major GPA was 3.1 (major was Finance with an Accounting minor). I have had little luck in the job market and now trying to focus on getting accepted to a “quality” MBA program.
I was on a varsity sports team, president of my fraternity, and involved in many campus activities. Throughout the years, I've had three internships, one of which I am currently employed at. In addition to my internships, I have volunteered a large number of hours. Also, for all four of my undergrad years, I have held two part time jobs in order to pay for my education.
I recently took the GMAT and scored a 670. With this score and my other credentials, do you feel that I would have a shot to get into any of my top 5 programs?
1- Indiana U (Bloom)
2- University of Virginia
3- Auburn
4- UF
5- Boston College
Thanks for your help-
AAR
I recently graduated in May from a small private liberal arts school with a 2.6 overall GPA, however my major GPA was 3.1 (major was Finance with an Accounting minor). I have had little luck in the job market and now trying to focus on getting accepted to a “quality” MBA program.
I was on a varsity sports team, president of my fraternity, and involved in many campus activities. Throughout the years, I've had three internships, one of which I am currently employed at. In addition to my internships, I have volunteered a large number of hours. Also, for all four of my undergrad years, I have held two part time jobs in order to pay for my education.
I recently took the GMAT and scored a 670. With this score and my other credentials, do you feel that I would have a shot to get into any of my top 5 programs?
1- Indiana U (Bloom)
2- University of Virginia
3- Auburn
4- UF
5- Boston College
Thanks for your help-
AAR
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Dear AAR,
Perhaps. It depends on how well you write your essays, the strength of your recommendations, and how well you do in your interviews. Your GMAT and GPA puts you in range for these programs, but the rest of your application has to make a compelling case for your admission. I would also suggest visiting these campuses and establishing a rapport with an admissions professional at each school.
Best of luck,
Lisa
Perhaps. It depends on how well you write your essays, the strength of your recommendations, and how well you do in your interviews. Your GMAT and GPA puts you in range for these programs, but the rest of your application has to make a compelling case for your admission. I would also suggest visiting these campuses and establishing a rapport with an admissions professional at each school.
Best of luck,
Lisa
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Hi Lisa,
Let me start off by saying thank you for your advice.
Here's my question, can you recommend a good university/community college to go through to take an online self-paced accounting course? Considering the volume of applicants that you deal with, I am hoping that there is one that you typically push.
I have looked at about 30 sites, and the only option that works with the upcoming admissions deadlines (Oct. 1) is UNC. (A bit pricey though)
I expect this to be another competitive year, and my 2.5 GPA in genetics isn't doing me any favors. However, I'm hoping that my management experience with a fortune 200 company during college, coupled with my NCAA athletics career will help to explain some of the academic issues. (No excuses, I take complete ownership of my grades. I committed to my schedule knowing my academics would suffer)
My GMAT is solid (760, Q49, V46) and I'm hoping that an accounting course will mitigate any remaining concerns about my intellectual capacity.
To complete the picture, I have four years of work experience, two in management, two in China. My references are taken care of and I am working with MBA alums on the essays.
Anything else I should be concerned about?
Thank you again.
LF
Let me start off by saying thank you for your advice.
Here's my question, can you recommend a good university/community college to go through to take an online self-paced accounting course? Considering the volume of applicants that you deal with, I am hoping that there is one that you typically push.
I have looked at about 30 sites, and the only option that works with the upcoming admissions deadlines (Oct. 1) is UNC. (A bit pricey though)
I expect this to be another competitive year, and my 2.5 GPA in genetics isn't doing me any favors. However, I'm hoping that my management experience with a fortune 200 company during college, coupled with my NCAA athletics career will help to explain some of the academic issues. (No excuses, I take complete ownership of my grades. I committed to my schedule knowing my academics would suffer)
My GMAT is solid (760, Q49, V46) and I'm hoping that an accounting course will mitigate any remaining concerns about my intellectual capacity.
To complete the picture, I have four years of work experience, two in management, two in China. My references are taken care of and I am working with MBA alums on the essays.
Anything else I should be concerned about?
Thank you again.
LF
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Dear LF,
Are you sure you need to take this accounting course? I can see why you have arrived at this conclusion, but I wonder if it is truly necessary with your GMAT score and work experience. It certainly won't hurt your application and makes sense if you also want to get a heads up on the terminology and subject matter. Just putting that thought out there...
As for online accounting classes, I am not much help here as I do not recommend any one school over another. I know several strong universities are offering more courses online, so you do have plenty of options.
Best of luck,
Lisa
Are you sure you need to take this accounting course? I can see why you have arrived at this conclusion, but I wonder if it is truly necessary with your GMAT score and work experience. It certainly won't hurt your application and makes sense if you also want to get a heads up on the terminology and subject matter. Just putting that thought out there...
As for online accounting classes, I am not much help here as I do not recommend any one school over another. I know several strong universities are offering more courses online, so you do have plenty of options.
Best of luck,
Lisa
I've read many of your responses to questions like these, but I think my case is a bit more extreme than the usual low-GPA story. I am thinking about applying to top 30 business schools, but I believe my changes are slim. Here’s my info…
2.1 GPA in Financial Engineering at Princeton University (failed one high-level math class and got mostly Bs - Cs in a tough program)
2 years of work as an IT Specialist for a public university
1 year of IT work for a major floral company
My bosses love me. I assume I will have good recommends and essays, but I am discouraged because it does not seem like this will be enough to get me considered.
I’ve taken several CAT practice GMATs and I have scored 750+ on most of them. (please pardon the grammatical mistakes in this post)
I suppose take some classes at a local university. Perhaps get a CPA first? What would you suggest?
2.1 GPA in Financial Engineering at Princeton University (failed one high-level math class and got mostly Bs - Cs in a tough program)
2 years of work as an IT Specialist for a public university
1 year of IT work for a major floral company
My bosses love me. I assume I will have good recommends and essays, but I am discouraged because it does not seem like this will be enough to get me considered.
I’ve taken several CAT practice GMATs and I have scored 750+ on most of them. (please pardon the grammatical mistakes in this post)
I suppose take some classes at a local university. Perhaps get a CPA first? What would you suggest?












