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by daler » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:27 pm
Lisa Anderson wrote:Dear daler,

While I will do my best to address your questions, I'm not sure I have any definitive answers for you. Admissions for a Master of Engineering program is different than for a MBA program. Thus I do not believe I have the right expertise for you regarding this master's program at MIT. Even though it is built upon Sloan's supply chain track, that does not mean the admissions process, criteria or decision process will be similar to the MBA program. So, I would encourage you to speak with someone directly in the Master of Engineering admissions office at MIT for guidance on your concern.

1. How does adcom generally view grad GPA as opposed to Undergrad GPA?
In the MBA world, the grad GPA will be evaluated as with any other piece of the applicant's file. However, grades on a graduate level are not the same indicator of aptitude and performance as they are on the undergraduate level. Your GPA from your MBA program is on the low side, but it is unclear how much of a weakness that will be for you in this admissions process.

2. Does the fact that I am not a native speaker mitigate the effect of low GPA?
Yes, it will mitigate the graduate GPA to some degree, but not entirely.

3. How bad is 3.1 or 3.2 for top ranked b-school adcoms?
You are right to be concerned. However, I'm not sure how much you should be concerned. I do not think it will be an automatic rejection for you since you did well in college and on the GMAT. In my opinion, it will raise a concern on your ability to succeed in the classroom in the US. So, if you feel you want to address it directly in your application, you should be prepared to give solid reasons and evidence that you will succeed in the Master of Engineering program.

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Thank you Lisa for your response. I greatly appreciate your help. But I need a small clarification on what you said:
you wrote: However, grades on a graduate level are not the same indicator of aptitude and performance as they are on the undergraduate level. do you mean adcoms give lower weight to undergrad GPA than to Grad GPA?

another quick question: it turns out to be that my final GPA is 3.26 (previously i thought it would be 3.1), and my Major GPA is 3.52. Does it make any difference, or does it still need to be adressed in the optional essay?

thank you again and sorry for not asking all the questions at once.
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by Lisa Anderson » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:33 pm
Dear daler,

As I mentioned previously, it is hard to know if you should be concerned by your GPA since Master of Engineering programs evaluate candidates differently than MBA programs. A 3.26 is a solid GPA, so it is unclear how much you should be concerned. I do not think it is low enough to warrant an explanation, but if it is significantly below the average for the program, then you might think about it. Generally speaking, ad coms do not weight an undergraduate GPA more than graduate, nor are they weighted less. It is all evaluated based on the degree and institution.

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by Lisa Anderson » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:37 pm
Dear eng2mba,

Everyone competes against the global MBA applicant pool. Each school's applicant pool will vary in terms of make-up, but any applicant to business school is in the global pool. Since you are a US PR, some US schools will consider you in the subset with other domestic applicants. However, there are schools that will still compare you against other applicants from India since that is your home country.

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by daler » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:46 pm
Lisa Anderson wrote:Dear eng2mba,

Everyone competes against the global MBA applicant pool. Each school's applicant pool will vary in terms of make-up, but any applicant to business school is in the global pool. Since you are a US PR, some US schools will consider you in the subset with other domestic applicants. However, there are schools that will still compare you against other applicants from India since that is your home country.

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thank you so much!!!

another question regarding your services: do you guys provide one-on-one consulting services on writing optional essays? I am thinking about using your services to address low GPA (plus I am a re-applicant) in an optional essay.

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by Lisa Anderson » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:06 am
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How will US business schools calculate the difference? Can you explain to me how it works? Like I said, 2 full years at UBC will be the equivalent to 60 credits. With summer school, I have taken 69 credits. There is a differene of 9 credits. Does that mean, they will take my best 60 credits out of the 69 credits? I'm really not sure how it works?
As I stated previously, if schools use the final two years, then that would include the summer in between. If a school uses the last 60 hours, then it is the last 60 hours (i.e., start from the end and go back 60 hours).

I know it's all hypoethical right now, but let's say I score between 680-700 on the GMAT and have decent managerial experience with several promotions, will I have a decent shot at the top 15 US business schools?
It is really too soon to give you an idea of your chances anywhere. The top 15 are highly selective and competitive, so you will want your GMAT score to be at or above the GMAT average. Likewise, you will need to have quality work experience with evidence of progression and leadership.

Will it go against me if I take the GMAT multiple times? Say, I score better with each subsequent test that I take?
Schools do not penalize applicants for taking the GMAT multiple times, and many expect you to have a couple of attempts. However, there are a few schools that discourage applicants from taking the test more than 3 times (but that is more rare).

Now, in terms of have an alternate transcript. Can you provide me with a little more information in how that is usually done? How many credits will I have to take to satisfy the admission committee that I do have potential despite my poor undergrad gpa?
Alternative transcripts are simply a transcript of courses you take after you graduate from college. Some folks take classes at a community college, some take classes online, and others take them at a university. Regardless of where you take the classes, you want to have a transcript you submit showing you earned high marks in the courses. There is not a minimum or maximum number of classes you need to take; the average number of classes most people take is 2-3.

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by samy803 » Thu May 14, 2009 9:21 pm
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My GPA is a 2.48. I have been working for 8 years and have been in a leadership role making sound decisions and making a big impact at my company. I have been studying for my GMATs and have been scoring between 450 and 500 on my CATs. I am taking my GMATs mid June. Is it possible for me to get into the part time USC program? I have recently been diagnosed with ADD, but have not previous records from the doctor. My job requires me to constantly be on my feet and moving around which is why I think the ADD part has not affected me too much. I will take my GMATs timed like everyone else.


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by Lisa Anderson » Fri May 15, 2009 7:04 am
Dear Sam,

Until you know your GMAT score, it is hard to know how competitive you will be for the part-time program at USC. You certainly have enough work experience, which appears to be quality experience based on your post. The GPA is low, but it was quite a long time ago. Your GMAT does need to give USC confidence you can handle the work though, so focus on your preparation up until you take the test. Stay positive and try to not get too stressed over it. Once you have your score, then you can start to finalize your school list.

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by Inspired » Sun May 24, 2009 12:58 pm
Hi,

I have a very low GPA(2.7) and would like to build alternative transcripts to improve my MBA application.I did my UG in Electrical Engineering and has been working as a Software Engineer from past 4 yrs.

I checked some Berkeley Extension Online Courses, but not sure if the standard of the courses is sufficient to impress MBA selections committee.(I would like to apply to top 15 MBA colleges this September.)

The courses I found are

1)Calculus I - Lower-division course at the level of the first two years of college, that is, freshman and sophomore.
2)Introduction to Statistics - Lower-division course at the level of the first two years of college, that is, freshman and sophomore.
3)Introduction to Financial Accounting - Upper-division course at the level of the second two years of college, that is, junior and senior.

1)Will these above courses build a impressive alternative transcript?Could you please suggest if I need to add any other courses or if I need to take advanced levels in above courses.
2)I live in Glasgow and tried to find good courses around but could not find.Could you please let me know of any good classroom courses in Glasgow or online courses in UK to build my alternative transcript.

Thank you for reading this and helping me in advance.

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by Lisa Anderson » Sun May 24, 2009 5:40 pm
Dear Inspired,

1)Will these above courses build a impressive alternative transcript?Could you please suggest if I need to add any other courses or if I need to take advanced levels in above courses.
The courses you noted are certainly good choices if you need to demonstrate your quantitative aptitude. All incoming business school students are expected to be knowledgeable in algebra and calculus. Unless you feel you need to demonstrate aptitude in a more qualitative discipline, I think these courses are appropriate.

2)I live in Glasgow and tried to find good courses around but could not find.Could you please let me know of any good classroom courses in Glasgow or online courses in UK to build my alternative transcript.
Unfortunately, I can't help you much on this question as I'm not familiar with the options in the UK. You can take courses at any accredited college or university, either campus-based or online, so I'm sure there are options in your area that will suffice.

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by stuf » Wed May 27, 2009 10:48 am
Hi Lisa,

I am majoring in Engg. Physics from Indian Institute of Technology, Delhi. I have completed my 6th semester. Now I plan to give GMAT this fall and aim to score at least 720. I want to pursue MS in financial Engg. or MS in Quantitative Finance from US. I would like to shoot for the top 15 univs offering these programs.I currently have a cgpa of 7.0/10, but since last year I have improved considerably and been scoring 8-8.5/10. How would you rate my chances in getting through and what can I possibly do to offset my low cgpa and lack of work experience?

I would appreciate your advice.
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by Lisa Anderson » Wed May 27, 2009 12:39 pm
Dear Stuf,

It is hard to comment on your chances without knowing more about you and what schools you are targeting. While admissions for MS programs can be similar to MBA programs, it is not the same and there is great variance from school to school. You appear to be on the right path with your grades, so keep up the good work. Additionally, do well on the GMAT as you will need a strong GPA and GMAT for your future applications.

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by frogcatcher » Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:17 pm
Hi Lisa - I graduated from the University of Texas with a GPA of 2.9 in Economics. I scored a 680 on the GMAT and have nearly 6 years of professional experience, 3.5 years at an advertising agency as a project coordinator for the market research dept and the last 2 years working for a consumer research and consulting company as a project manager. I see my professional experience as a strength. I've had a clear career path in market research, worked for two great companies, have progressed to a management position where I lead 10-12 employees on each project, and have excellent client services skills. My extracurricular is weak but I feel my letters of recommendation and essays will be good.

I'm interested in attending Univ of Texas (McCombs) either part-time or full-time. I'm worried about my GPA - do you think I need an alternate transcript? Will my GMAT score make up for my low GPA? What are my chances part-time vs. full-time? Are there extracurricular activities I could do now that wouldn't look like I was doing it just for my application?

Any advice/thoughts on my application would be greatly appreciated.

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by Lisa Anderson » Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:11 pm
Dear frogcatcher,

Your 680 (great score!) will mitigate your GPA as will your professional experience. Whether or not you should take some additional courses depends on how your transcript looks. If your 2.9 is a result of doing B/C in quantitative coursework, then it might be worth taking 2-3 math classes to demonstrate your quantitative aptitude. If your 2.9 is due to a rocky start in college, then you probably don't need to worry so much about your GPA. While it is below the average, you have other application components that balance it out.

As for full-time versus part-time, I think you need to decide which is the better option for you based on your goals. If you are looking to make a significant career change, then the full-time program is the better option. However, a part-time option is a great choice if you want to continue in market research but need the additional education to progress further. Either way, I think you have the foundation for a competitive application to McCombs, assuming you put together a strong set of essays and recommendations.

With regards to extracurriculars, you should only get involved with something if you are truly interested in it. Doing something so you have something to write on the application is not always the best course of action. You do have time to get involved with a community group or other interest group if you would like to add it to your background--but get involved quickly.

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by city_guy_18 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:00 pm
Hi Lisa,

Great service you have here! I'm wondering if you can take a moment to evaluate my overall profile and provide some guidance on next steps for pursuing an EMBA.

As with the others, I graduated with a less than stellar GPA, with a 2.8 overall from UC Berkeley. I majored in English with a Specialization in International Economics. I had a 3.3 GPA in my major, but had some B/C work in the tougher quantitative courses (two quarters of calculus - B/C+), and unfortunately struggled in a couple of the more important upper division economics courses. This is the source of great regret for me, as I don't believe it is truly reflective of my potential, but these are some of life's tougher lessons.

Like many others, I maintained a part time job throughout school, but I was forced to increase my hours and responsibilities over my last two years, and had some significant financial difficulties due to no longer receiving financial aid (without any offsetting source of income or assistance). I did have a 4 year partial scholarship, but making up the difference (and attending school for a fifth year) proved challenging. And to be fair, I clearly could have been better at time management and juggling these responsibilities. There were other contributing factors that at this stage can only be viewed under the rubric of "hindsight is 20/20", or that might be viewed as excuses in retrospect. The key is learning from those mistakes in the intervening years.

This brings me to the rest of my profile:

GMAT
: I haven't yet taken the GMAT, but have been preparing to do so (and will likely take a course to brush up).

Work Experience: I have approximately 10 years of experience, and I think you'll find it somewhat unconventional when compared to the typical MBA candidate. I'm hoping this will play in my favor, but please advise.

I spent a year out of school at a major banking institution performing mortgage retail research and other assorted duties before being "downsized" out in the wake of a merger.

After this, I began work in the public policy arena, with a specific emphasis on the energy and telecommunications industries. I performed research and analysis of energy and telecommunications markets, strengthening my understanding of economics, and some financial concepts (cost of capital, infrastructure project finance, etc.). I've worked in teams to generate technical studies, and prepared testimony on highly intricate cost models, rate cases, and large mergers/acquisitions. I also examined public programs and financing and represented the public interest in innumerable legal proceedings before a major regulatory body.

In recent years, I have taken on project management responsibilities in some of the "sexier" policy issues facing these industries. For instance, I coordinated team efforts on developing and shaping complex climate change and renewable energy policies for the electricity sector, which are comprehensive and highly technical. Finally, I have also been a senior policy advisor to a major decision-maker (good reference!), which was an incredibly challenging and rewarding experience. I helped this individual establish a political identity, shape policy positions, and evaluate major decisions with large financial implications.

So, I've been fortunate to have had a quasi-academic career with great challenges and interesting work. I want an EMBA to begin consulting (or advising at a higher level) in these very areas, particularly in the energy industry, which is undergoing a major transformation. The question is: can I leverage this experience into an EMBA program?

My next steps are: (1) prepare for and take the GMAT; (2) build an alternate transcript of 3 graduate courses in quantitative studies (business courses).

Questions: I'll obviously need to score very well (650-700) and ace those courses to get into schools. Assuming that happens, what are my chances for getting into a top 25 MBA school?

Do you have any advice for framing this otherwise "different" work experience? Any other advice?

Thanks so much in advance!