How to deal with a low GPA

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by Lisa Anderson » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:20 pm
Dear MBAhoping,

Scoring in the 700s on the GMAT will help to mitigate your GPA. The GMAT measures academic aptitude for business school, so it will allow the admissions committees to feel comfortable that you will be able to grasp the material and succeed in the classroom. Depending on where your score ends up and what the rest of your application looks like, I think you should identify a mix of schools that match what you seek in an MBA program in terms of curriculum, culture, and industry connections. There should be 1-2 reach schools (i.e., top 15-20), 1-2 reasonable (i.e., top 20-40) and 1-2 safety (i.e. outside the top 30).

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by MBAhoping » Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:31 pm
If I were able to score what I've been scoring, would a top ten school be out of the question?

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by mba-in-2011 » Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:23 pm
Hi!

As the other concerned posters above, I also have a low overall undergrad GPA. I have since gotten a graduate degree with a much higher GPA. I'm hoping that the rest of my application can more than make up for this blip in my profile.

Here's my general profile. What are my chances of getting into these programs? Are any of them more low-GPA friendly than others?

[Out of?] Reach: MIT Sloan
Middle: Tepper, McCombs
Safety: Smith
Part-Time: Stern (keep my options open should my employer agree to pay for tuition)

Basics: Male, Philippine citizen, US Permanent Resident, 30 years old by fall 2011.
GMAT: Real GMAT scheduled for June. Currently averaging 670 on Kaplan and MGMAT practice exams.

Undergrad Degree

School: Top 3 university in the Philippines
Degree/Major: BS in Management Information Systems
Undergrad GPA: 2.82 (overall), 3.38 (majors)
I Very active in extracurriculars, including leadership positions in both business-oriented and socially-oriented organizations. As a leader in one organization, I helped develop sustainable livelihood programs for people in urban poor communities around the university. I was more interested in doing something concrete and that was my outlet. I also did an internship for a local non-profit that taught computer technology to urban poor kids and worked on their record keeping and registration database systems.

Masters Degree

Grad School: Major state university in New York State
Degree/Major: MS in Computer Science
Grad GPA: 3.71

Professional

At matriculation in Fall 2011, I would have been working for 5 years. After grad school, I started out as a software engineer for a major Fortune 15 technology company and worked on various internal projects. Currently at a small technology company based in New York City, with several high profile small and medium sized clients. Work with clients through all phases of engagement from requirements to support. Development lead experience on various client projects and core product releases.

Extracurriculars

Set up a internet-based IRS 501(c)3 non-profit. I'm officially the CTO and member of the board. While I wish I did spend more time developing this non-profit, it had been somewhat successful in a couple of instances. Of course, the recession happened and greatly affected it's effectiveness, in hindsight.

Bottomline...

I would like to think I have a pretty strong profile except for the low GPA. How should I go about my application?

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by Lisa Anderson » Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:11 am
Dear mba-in-2011,

I agree that your profile appears to be competitive aside from your undergraduate GPA based on your post. While your GMAT is unknown, that will also be a telling sign as a good score (670+) will be necessary to help mitigate your undergraduate GPA along with your master's GPA. Until you know your GMAT, it is hard to know what schools are really reach, reasonable and safety options for you as your profile is incomplete. You note you are on the board of a nonprofit, but if it is merely a title and you do not really do much for it, then that is not as much of an advantage for you. You might also have a bit of a weakness in this area if you do not have any other active extracurricular or community activities since college. Finally, much of the ultimate decision will also depend on the strength of your overall application. So you will need a great set of essays and recommendations, as well as a good interview, to reach a positive decision even with a 700+ GMAT.

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by mba-in-2011 » Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:42 am
Hi Lisa,

Thank you for the feedback. Yes, the GMAT is a big thing but I hope it sets enough of a trend so that I can estimate the exact score in the end. I also do realize that most, if not all, programs I am thinking of applying to have not even finished making decisions on their Fall 2010 admits, much less start the application process for Fall 2011.

With regards to the non-profit, I have been the active CTO too on top of being a board member. Being a start-up non profit, that really means leading the team which designs and develops the system from scratch and coordinating with other non-technical people in the organization with regards to their requirements from the system. I have worked with the rest of the management team and board members to brainstorm and implement important decisions on the business model, branding and marketing strategy, and finances. Since the non-profit deals with education in the developing world, I have also directly worked with the main education point-people who really benefit in the end from our work. I would like to think this experience speaks to my leadership capabilities in both a technical and community sense.

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by ilillillli » Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:09 pm
Lisa, it's JY from a few posts ago... just wanted everyone in a similar situation to know I just got accepted to Ross. Top 10!

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by Lisa Anderson » Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:32 pm
Congratulations JY!! That is awesome! Enjoy Ann Arbor!
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Dear Lisa,
Here is my explanation for very very low low GPA. I would appreciate if you can give me a candid feedback.
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by Lisa Anderson » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:57 am
Dear GMAT680,

You are definitely not the first MBA applicant (or graduate) to have entered undergraduate studies immature and was easily distracted by the freedoms of being on your own for the first time. Based on your post, you appear to have matured and changed since then and have done the right things to demonstrate you are in a different place now. Without knowing what the rest of your application looks like, I cannot comment on your chances for the Smith School, but I do think you have done what you need to do to show you are ready to take business school seriously.

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by GMAT680 » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:45 am
Thanks Lisa for your prompt replay. My question is more of "do I addressed the low gpa enough?" or can I do better in addressing the situation?

Thanks again.

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by joshbarone » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:04 am
Dear Lisa,

I just took the GMAT for the second time. Last time was 10 years ago. I got a 750 this time (I had a 710 in 2000). I have a 3.07 from undergrad (top 20 liberal arts school), Econ Major. I also have a Master's Degree in MIS with a 3.92 GPA. I have about 11 years work exp with supply chain management software (Development, Project Management, Architecture). I feel like I might be getting a bit old at this point (about to turn 33) but what do you think my chances are of getting into a top 10 school are? I'm really debating going back full time if I can get in, else I might just have to go at night. Any help or comments would be appreciated. Thank you.

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by Lisa Anderson » Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:44 pm
@GMAT680...I think you addressed the situation fine. The key with the optional essay concerning your undergraduate performance is to make sure the focus is on how you are different now--how you will be more motivated and committed to your studies in business school than you were in college. Then offer examples to support your current level of maturity, commitment and motivation. Good luck!

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Dear joshbarone,

Congratulations on your 750! I don't really know enough about you to comment on your chances, but I would say your GMAT and GPA are certainly in the competitive range for any school, including top 10. While you are on the higher end of the experience range for traditional full-time programs with 11 years, I would not say you are at a disadvantage or will even be the most experienced applicant in the pool. The key will be for you to provide a solid rationale for why you want to do the full-time program. You need to effectively convey why the full-time program is the best fit for you based on your career goals. Likewise, you will want to use all of the remaining components of your application to make a compelling case for your admission and distinguish you from the other applicants to give yourself the best chance at a top MBA program.

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by Connemara Pony » Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:57 am
Dear Lisa,

I'm not planning on applying for an MBA for a few years yet but I figure it would be good to start planning ASAP.

Basically, I have a First Class Honours degree from an Irish university and a Masters from the University of Cambridge, I didn't do very well in the masters, I managed to pass but I failed one class and ranked near the bottom of my year, I think I have a legitimate explanation for why I did so badly. I'm wondering will a strong GMAT/Work Experience help to compensate for that? I would really like to apply for the top MBA programmes, Wharton, Keollog, Sloan etc (I'll also be looking at British schools). I have taken the GRE (780Q 590V 5.5 AWA)but it will be out of date by the time I apply, I'm sure I can get an even better score (in GRE or GMAT) if I give the time to it (last time I did it in a bit of a rush)
Anyways, what I was wondering is, do you think my poor performance in my masters will rule me out from the top schools, and if not, what do you think I can do to help improve my over all application

Thanks in advance!

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by Lisa Anderson » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:22 pm
Dear Connemara Pony,

I would not say your performance in your master's program would take you out of the competition for a top MBA program if the rest of your application is stellar. A high GMAT will help to mitigate it as would strong academic performance in your undergraduate studies. The other applicaton components are also critical, so you will want to ensure you have a solid, successful track record in your professional experience, great experiences outside the office in the community or other extracurricular activities, and outstanding recommendations from professional references. As with any MBA applicant, you do want to have a mix of schools you apply to as the top MBA programs are highly selective and there is no guarantee for any applicant--regardless of GMAT, GPA or work experience.

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by omarjmh » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:02 am
Hi Lisa,
First off thanks for all the help!
I'm having trouble deciding which schools to target. IMO i am a somewhat unique candidate.
A little about me:
Undergrad GPA 2.7 in biology ( got Fs and Ds, repeated classes, took 5 years!) A in calculus
Wrapping up an alternative transcript right now with the following classes:
Micro econ
Financial management
Business stat
Securities investment

Looks like I'll be getting all A's!

Gmat - yet to take but avg around 680-720 now

work experience:

3 years managing a music store
1.5 years climbing the ranks in the entertainment business ( 2 internships then paid job)
In the entertainment industry you really have to start unpaid for the most part then move up to the position i held at my last job.

Now i hated working in hollywood, yeah its cool on the outside but very toxic on the inside.
I moved back home to build the alternative transcript and here i am.

My questions:
What range of schools should i be targeting?
How mitigating will the alternative transcript be in my case?
will my scope of schools change dramatically if i get a 750? ( i think its in reach and of course that what im shooting for)
is my work experience bad?
Would i be considered a career changer? if so how competitive is that distinction?