BREAKING: Target Test Prep releases Brand New 2026 On Demand GMAT prep course

Redeem

Target Test Prep · GMAT

Choose how you want to prepare

Learn live with an expert or move at your own pace. Every option includes the complete TTP study system.

★★★★★5.0559 reviews
GMATLiveTeach 7 seats left
Chris Peckover
NEXT LIVE COHORT

Oct 13 to Jan 7, 2027

with Chris Peckover

Schedule
Tue, Thu · 8:00 to 10:00 PM ET
Included
40 live hours + 6 months of GMAT OnDemand
  • Live instruction and real-time questions
  • Class recordings and assigned practice
View class & enroll
Limited cohort · enrollment openTarget Test Prep
EALiveTeach 5 seats left
Logan Thompson
EXECUTIVE ASSESSMENT

Sep 6 to Dec 6, 2026

with Logan Thompson

Schedule
Sun · 9:30 AM to 12:30 PM ET
Included
40 hours of live online classes plus six months of access to the complete TTP EA OnDemand course.
  • 165+ EA Score Guarantee
  • 4,100+ Quant, Verbal, and Integrated Reasoning practice questions
  • 400+ hours of in-depth video lessons
  • 3,000+ step-by-step video solutions
View EA class & enroll
Limited cohort · enrollment openTarget Test Prep
GMATOnDemand Start anytime
SELF-PACED MASTERCLASS

Target Test Prep GMAT OnDemand

Complete access from day one. Study on your schedule.

715+ score guarantee
$0to start then $127/mo
  • Personalized study plan and analytics
  • Thousands of lessons and practice questions

Compare the format, schedule, and included access before enrolling. Prices and seat counts shown reflect the supplied offer details.

Hard? problem solving

Expert replies
Source: — Problem Solving |

by Ian Stewart » Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:15 pm
cutty61 wrote:(√(9+√80) ) (√(9-√80) )^2= ?

I get 18. Answer is credited as 20.

Where am I going wrong?
I think you're missing a '+' sign in the question; it should read:

[ sqrt(9 + sqrt(80)) + sqrt(9 - sqrt(80)) ]^2 = ?


This certainly is not an easy question, because it tests several rules, and it's difficult to avoid a somewhat lengthy calculation. It is really just a complicated way to test your facility with the basic factoring patterns and square root rules. To start, we can use the pattern:

(x + y)^2 = x^2 + y^2 + 2xy

If we expand the expression using the pattern above, we get:

= [sqrt(9 + sqrt(80))]^2 + [sqrt(9 - sqrt(80))]^2 + 2*[sqrt(9 + sqrt(80))]*[sqrt(9 - sqrt(80))]


We now can use the fact that [sqrt(x)]^2 is just equal to x to simplify the first and second of the three expressions in our sum. For the third expression, we can use the fact that (sqrt(x))(sqrt(y)) = sqrt(xy). We'll then be multiplying two terms which are in a difference of squares pattern -- that is, our product will look like (a+b)(a-b), so will be equal to a^2 - b^2:

= 9 + sqrt(80) + 9 - sqrt(80) + 2*sqrt[(9 + sqrt(80))(9 - sqrt(80))]

= 18 + 2*sqrt( 9^2 - (sqrt(80))^2)

= 18 + 2*sqrt(81 - 80)

= 18 + 2*sqrt(1)

= 18 + 2

= 20

So in the end it all simplifies nicely, though it starts out looking like a mess. You can estimate rather quickly with this question to see that the answer should be something close to 18, and as I recall, there are only two answer choices which are at all reasonable here, 18 and 20, so an estimate at least gets you to a 50-50 guess. If you do that estimate first, then you can stop working as soon as you realize the answer will be greater than 18, though that really doesn't save much time - the hard steps are the first ones. To actually arrive at the answer, I don't think there's any way to avoid the steps above, or some equivalent calculation.
For online GMAT math tutoring, or to buy my higher-level Quant books and problem sets, contact me at ianstewartgmat at gmail.com

ianstewartgmat.com
Join the discussion