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by Baten80 » Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:51 pm
While working alone at their respective constant rates, computer x processes 240 files in 4 hours and computer Y processes 240 files in 8 hours. If all files processed by these computers are same size, how long would it take the two computers, working at the same time and at their respective constant rates, to process a total of 240 files?

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by dtweah » Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:57 pm
Baten80 wrote:While working alone at their respective constant rates, computer x processes 240 files in 4 hours and computer Y processes 240 files in 8 hours. If all files processed by these computers are same size, how long would it take the two computers, working at the same time and at their respective constant rates, to process a total of 240 files?

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Find their respective hourly rates
240/4= 60files/hr and 30 files/hr

Combine their hourly rates when they work together: 90files/hr.
So in 1 hr they would do 90 files when working together. Pay attention to UNITs when working these problems b/c they can point the way.

1hr/90 files. The number multiplying this fraction must be in units of FILES. ( Another way to ask this problem is HOW many Files would they be able to work in x hours. Here you would use 90files/hr and multiple by x hous so that hours cancel. You are just inverting the fraction to get the UNIT u want). Back to Problem.


240 files X 1/90files. File cancel file and u are left with desired hours.

24/9= 8/3 hours.
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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:02 pm
Baten80 wrote:While working alone at their respective constant rates, computer x processes 240 files in 4 hours and computer Y processes 240 files in 8 hours. If all files processed by these computers are same size, how long would it take the two computers, working at the same time and at their respective constant rates, to process a total of 240 files?

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Hi,

this question is actually simpler than it looks. Let's just let 240 files = 1 job.

So, the question reads:

X can do 1 job in 4 hours and Y can do 1 job in 8 hours. How long does it take them to do 1 job working together?

Using the basic combined work formula:

Combined Time = (time a * time b)/(time a + time b)

= (4*8)/(4+8)

= 32/12

= 8/3
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by Gurpinder » Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:46 am
Stuart Kovinsky wrote:
Baten80 wrote:While working alone at their respective constant rates, computer x processes 240 files in 4 hours and computer Y processes 240 files in 8 hours. If all files processed by these computers are same size, how long would it take the two computers, working at the same time and at their respective constant rates, to process a total of 240 files?

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Hi,

this question is actually simpler than it looks. Let's just let 240 files = 1 job.

So, the question reads:

X can do 1 job in 4 hours and Y can do 1 job in 8 hours. How long does it take them to do 1 job working together?

Using the basic combined work formula:

Combined Time = (time a * time b)/(time a + time b)

= (4*8)/(4+8)

= 32/12

= 8/3
Hey Stuart,

Just had a question. In a problem like this where the work being done by both things is the same (240 files), can you substitute 1 for the 240 in all problems like this?

Would it work if i just entered 240 instead of 1?

Thanks,
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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:49 pm
Gurpinder wrote:
Hey Stuart,

Just had a question. In a problem like this where the work being done by both things is the same (240 files), can you substitute 1 for the 240 in all problems like this?

Would it work if i just entered 240 instead of 1?

Thanks,
Hi,

whenever the time given is for the two people to do the same amount of work, you can use the formula to calculate how long it would take them to do that amount of work combined.

Some questions ask how long it would take them to do a different amount of work, so you have to do one extra calculation at the end. Some examples:
While working alone at their respective constant rates, computer x processes 240 files in 4 hours and computer Y processes 240 files in 8 hours. If all files processed by these computers are same size, how long would it take the two computers, working at the same time and at their respective constant rates, to process a total of 480 files?


480 = 2 * 240 files, so the question is how long it takes to do 2 jobs instead of 1. Accordingly, we double the result of the formula.
While working alone at their respective constant rates, computer x processes 240 files in 4 hours and computer Y processes 240 files in 8 hours. If all files processed by these computers are same size, how long would it take the two computers, working at the same time and at their respective constant rates, to process a total of 120 files?
120 = 1/2 * 240 files, so the question is asking how long it takes to do 1/2 of a job instead of 1. Accordingly, we halve the result of the formula.

On the other hand, if the time given for each worker relates to a different amount of work, you can't just plug and play into the formula - you have to make adjustments first. For example:
While working alone at their respective constant rates, computer x processes 120 files in 4 hours and computer Y processes 360 files in 8 hours. If all files processed by these computers are same size, how long would it take the two computers, working at the same time and at their respective constant rates, to process a total of 360 files?

Here we can't simply substitute 4 and 8 into the formula, because computer x's time is for 120 files, which is only 1/3 of the job. So, before using the formula, we have to calculate how long it would take X to do a full job, i.e. 360 files.

360 is 3 times 120, so it will take 3 times as long. 4 hours * 3 = 12 hours for a full job. Now we can let X=12 and Y=8 and apply the formula.
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by Baten80 » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:19 pm
Stuart Kovinsky wrote:
Gurpinder wrote:
Hey Stuart,

Just had a question. In a problem like this where the work being done by both things is the same (240 files), can you substitute 1 for the 240 in all problems like this?

Would it work if i just entered 240 instead of 1?

Thanks,
Hi,

whenever the time given is for the two people to do the same amount of work, you can use the formula to calculate how long it would take them to do that amount of work combined.

Some questions ask how long it would take them to do a different amount of work, so you have to do one extra calculation at the end. Some examples:
While working alone at their respective constant rates, computer x processes 240 files in 4 hours and computer Y processes 240 files in 8 hours. If all files processed by these computers are same size, how long would it take the two computers, working at the same time and at their respective constant rates, to process a total of 480 files?


480 = 2 * 240 files, so the question is how long it takes to do 2 jobs instead of 1. Accordingly, we double the result of the formula.
While working alone at their respective constant rates, computer x processes 240 files in 4 hours and computer Y processes 240 files in 8 hours. If all files processed by these computers are same size, how long would it take the two computers, working at the same time and at their respective constant rates, to process a total of 120 files?
120 = 1/2 * 240 files, so the question is asking how long it takes to do 1/2 of a job instead of 1. Accordingly, we halve the result of the formula.

On the other hand, if the time given for each worker relates to a different amount of work, you can't just plug and play into the formula - you have to make adjustments first. For example:
While working alone at their respective constant rates, computer x processes 120 files in 4 hours and computer Y processes 360 files in 8 hours. If all files processed by these computers are same size, how long would it take the two computers, working at the same time and at their respective constant rates, to process a total of 360 files?

Here we can't simply substitute 4 and 8 into the formula, because computer x's time is for 120 files, which is only 1/3 of the job. So, before using the formula, we have to calculate how long it would take X to do a full job, i.e. 360 files.

360 is 3 times 120, so it will take 3 times as long. 4 hours * 3 = 12 hours for a full job. Now we can let X=12 and Y=8 and apply the formula.
Ok. Thanks. But what will if total 540 files are given instead of 360. Will the formula work.
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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:28 pm
Baten80 wrote:
Ok. Thanks. But what will if total 540 files are given instead of 360. Will the formula work.
As long as you make the appropriate adjustments, yes (i.e. you convert to "1 job").
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by EdWood » Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:41 am
Thanks Stuart for this wonderful explanation of Work-time problems.
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by mynewgator » Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:31 pm
dtweah wrote:
Baten80 wrote:While working alone at their respective constant rates, computer x processes 240 files in 4 hours and computer Y processes 240 files in 8 hours. If all files processed by these computers are same size, how long would it take the two computers, working at the same time and at their respective constant rates, to process a total of 240 files?

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Find their respective hourly rates
240/4= 60files/hr and 30 files/hr

Combine their hourly rates when they work together: 90files/hr.
So in 1 hr they would do 90 files when working together. Pay attention to UNITs when working these problems b/c they can point the way.

1hr/90 files. The number multiplying this fraction must be in units of FILES. ( Another way to ask this problem is HOW many Files would they be able to work in x hours. Here you would use 90files/hr and multiple by x hous so that hours cancel. You are just inverting the fraction to get the UNIT u want). Back to Problem.


240 files X 1/90files. File cancel file and u are left with desired hours.

24/9= 8/3 hours.
How would you convert 8/3 hours into 2hr in 40min (I forgot what steps you should take)????
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by melguy » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:16 am
Stuart Kovinsky wrote:
Baten80 wrote:While working alone at their respective constant rates, computer x processes 240 files in 4 hours and computer Y processes 240 files in 8 hours. If all files processed by these computers are same size, how long would it take the two computers, working at the same time and at their respective constant rates, to process a total of 240 files?

Help in solving this task.
Hi,

this question is actually simpler than it looks. Let's just let 240 files = 1 job.

So, the question reads:

X can do 1 job in 4 hours and Y can do 1 job in 8 hours. How long does it take them to do 1 job working together?

Using the basic combined work formula:

Combined Time = (time a * time b)/(time a + time b)

= (4*8)/(4+8)

= 32/12

= 8/3
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by GMATGuruNY » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:21 am
Baten80 wrote:While working alone at their respective constant rates, computer x processes 240 files in 4 hours and computer Y processes 240 files in 8 hours. If all files processed by these computers are same size, how long would it take the two computers, working at the same time and at their respective constant rates, to process a total of 240 files?

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X's rate = w/t = 240/4 = 60 files per hour.
Y's rate = w/t = 240/8 = 30 files per hour.
When X and Y work together, their combined rate = 30+60 = 90 files per hour.
Time for X and Y together to complete 240 files = w/r = 240/90 = 24/9 = 8/3 hours.
8/3 hours = 2 2/3 hours = 2 hours, 40 minutes.
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by melguy » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:50 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:
Baten80 wrote:While working alone at their respective constant rates, computer x processes 240 files in 4 hours and computer Y processes 240 files in 8 hours. If all files processed by these computers are same size, how long would it take the two computers, working at the same time and at their respective constant rates, to process a total of 240 files?

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X's rate = w/t = 240/4 = 60 files per hour.
Y's rate = w/t = 240/8 = 30 files per hour.
When X and Y work together, their combined rate = 30+60 = 90 files per hour.
Time for X and Y together to complete 240 files = w/r = 240/90 = 24/9 = 8/3 hours.
8/3 hours = 2 2/3 hours = 2 hours, 40 minutes.
Thanks a lot GMATGuru.
Now I feel dumb. Yesterday just wasn't my day. Couldn't even do simple division! :-(
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by didieravoaka » Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:57 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:
Baten80 wrote:While working alone at their respective constant rates, computer x processes 240 files in 4 hours and computer Y processes 240 files in 8 hours. If all files processed by these computers are same size, how long would it take the two computers, working at the same time and at their respective constant rates, to process a total of 240 files?

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X's rate = w/t = 240/4 = 60 files per hour.
Y's rate = w/t = 240/8 = 30 files per hour.
When X and Y work together, their combined rate = 30+60 = 90 files per hour.
Time for X and Y together to complete 240 files = w/r = 240/90 = 24/9 = 8/3 hours.
8/3 hours = 2 2/3 hours = 2 hours, 40 minutes.

Hey Micth,

How do you convert 8/3 into 2hours and 40 minutes?
I know we need to cross multiply using 1hour for 60 minutes, but I lose myself on track.
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by [email protected] » Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:18 pm
Hi didieravoaka,

Converting fractions of an hour can sometimes 'trip up' Test Takers (since an hour has 60 minutes and not 100). The 'math' itself isn't that terrible though, and there are some 'fractions of an hour' worth remembering...

8/3 hours = 2 2/3 hours

1/3 of an hour = (1/3)(60) = 20 minutes
2/3 of an hour = (2/3)(60) = 40 minutes

So 8/3 hours = 2 hours 40 minutes

Fractions of an hour worth knowing (although you can just as easily calculate them when needed):
1/2 = 30 minutes
1/3 = 20 minutes
1/4 = 15 minutes
1/5 = 12 minutes
1/6 = 10 minutes

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