GMAT Past - I beat the gmat

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GMAT Past - I beat the gmat

by shammokando » Tue May 11, 2010 7:35 am
Hey Guys,

It's 10 days to the GMAT. About a month ago, I took a few practice tests, my initial scores were promising (720, 740 kaplan, 750 gmatprep), so I registered and took a break. A week or so ago I took 2 more tests - might have been hungover (670 (50th percentile math!) kaplan 670 mgmat). I felt completely out of wack, so I got scared, buckled down, refocused, and studied for the past few days, recently took 2 more tests (730 mgmat, 760 gmatprep 1 again, with some repeat questions).

1st, does anyone have any read on these scores? My goal is 760+, but don't know how to interpret these scores. I saw a significant drop in my ability to do math (I think I'm getting in my own head and now running out of time). For example, I missed 12/37 math problems on my way to a 48 math/760 on the gmatprep recently.
My CR and RC are good enough when I concentrate, but on all of the more recent tests I missed 50%+ sentence corrections.

I have 4 resources for study Princeton Review (skimmed most of it), MGMAT Sentence Correction (skimmed), OG 10, and OG 12.

Can people critique my last 1.5 week study strategy?

Take practice test at least every other day: 4 MGMAT, 1 Kaplan, GMAT Prep 2 (and gmatprep from 2005 if that's different).
Do only hard questions from OG 10 (basically through SC, 2/2 through PS/DS)
Do MGMAT SC with OG 12 all the way through
Do every other problem in OG 12.
---This entails at least 6 hours a day, (1 practice test + 60 questions or 100-150 problems with no test)

Another Question: what does "hard" mean in the OG categorization? I find them much easier than what I encounter in practice tests and am missing them at much lesser pace. I'm missing less than 10% of sentence correction after some study and roughly 12% of questions on ps/ds (virtually perfect on RC and CR). These are significantly lower numbers than I've been missing OVERALL on tests, and I'm only tackling "hard" problems. Does "hard" encompass the 700+ level questions?

Sorry for the long post - just curious if people have feedback on any portion of my GMAT prep:
-Score predictions
-Study Plan
-Question quantities
-Expectations based on OG questions
-Should I take gmat prep 2005 versions?
anything else

Thanks!!
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by Osirus@VeritasPrep » Tue May 11, 2010 7:59 am
The general consensus is that the actual GMAT is harder than the GMAT prep tests. They provide good practice though because they do the best job of imitating the logic of the actual exam, but the real thing will be harder. In terms of predicting your score. I would say most people have a GMAT range, so based on your practice scores I would say your range is 670-750. You will probably score in that range unless something goes terribly wrong, or unless the stars align and you score in the 99th percentile. I think your study routine has been good, you are positioned to do well. Good luck.
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by shammokando » Tue May 11, 2010 10:10 am
osirus0830 wrote:The general consensus is that the actual GMAT is harder than the GMAT prep tests. They provide good practice though because they do the best job of imitating the logic of the actual exam, but the real thing will be harder. In terms of predicting your score. I would say most people have a GMAT range, so based on your practice scores I would say your range is 670-750. You will probably score in that range unless something goes terribly wrong, or unless the stars align and you score in the 99th percentile. I think your study routine has been good, you are positioned to do well. Good luck.
why do you say that? Why is your assumption that I likely can't do any better than my practice tests? That's saying that with additional study, focus etc, I couldn't do better than my practice on uncontrolled tests. It seems like your assumption is that my best score so far represents my absolute peak performance capability, regardless of how well I improve my weaknesses between now and the test. Just seems weird to put the range my likely score (unless a miracle happens) at 10 points lower than my highest demonstrated mid-study score.

I've heard the GMATprep is by far the best indicator of future performance on the actual GMAT, that Kaplan is something like 50 points lower, and mgmat is fairly accurate. So with a score of 750, 760 on gmat prep and 740 on kaplan and 730 on mgmat, you don't think 1. I'd have a higher lower boundthan a 670 and 2. I'd have a higher upper bound than 750?

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by Osirus@VeritasPrep » Tue May 11, 2010 10:14 am
I guess my post offended you. That wasn't my intention. You definitely can get higher and score in the 99th percentile. As of right now though, you haven't demonstrated that a score in the 99th percentile is in your range. I think its the equivalent of a pitcher never being able to throw 100mph fastball in practice and then expecting to throw it in the game. Could it happen, sure, but that doesn't mean that it is the most likely outcome. Keep working hard and you can definitely get the score you want. Didn't mean to offend you, I won't say anything else. Good luck.
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by Toph@GMAT_REBOOT » Tue May 11, 2010 11:14 am
I'll touch on this expectations talk first... and then my opinion of your study plan.

1. Expectations

EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT.

Some people are more focused on test day. Some people are a nervous wreck. I was actually in the midst of recovering from a cold. I think I actually relaxed my expectations because I had felt I had an excuse to take the exam over again if things went wrong. I scored higher than my highest practice exam (although it was close).

On the other hand, I knew a girl who took a fair amount of practice exams but probably understimated how much she needed to actually study and learn how to do certain problems. She scored lower than her lowest practice exam when she took the test.

If you study correctly, you certainly can raise your score range between now and then.

2. IN MY OPINION (and I could certainly be wrong), practice exams take up too much of projected study schedule.

I think six hours of studying/day is a lot. I'd rather get in 2-3 hours of quality studying a day than six hours where I'm probably just trying to REACH MY GOAL OF STUDYING FOR SIX HOURS. Take maybe 3 more practice exams (2MGMAT + GMAT Prep 2). Focus on the OG. Here's my favorite way of tackling those problems:

Do sets of OG problems anywhere from 10 to 40 questions/section at a time and time yourself. Get a stop watch, a kitchen timer, or any other kind of digital timing device and just write down the time on the clock each time you finish a problem. If the first question takes you 45 seconds, write down 0:45 next to that question and then if the second question is finished two minutes into the session, write 2:00 (and then when you're reviewing, you'll do the math in your head and realize that question took you 1m15s). Then you can not only significantly review the questions that you got wrong, but also the questions that took you an extended period of time.

In addition, it appears your weakest area is setence correction. That was the case for me as well. REVIEW EVERY ANSWER IN THE OG SC section. ALL WRONG ANSWERS AS WELL. You want to learn the SC rules from the writers of the exam? You can! Do this! SC will slowly become almost math-like to you.

Practice exams are great for pacing and getting used to the format of the exam. But I don't think they're that great for focusing on your subject weaknesses. And I think going through the OG like I mentioned above is almost just as good for pacing.

You can improve by just doing the problems. You can improve greatly by learning how the problems work. In final days leading up to my exam, I went to the math and verbal boards here and would attempt to give in depth explanations for questions asked by others. Do that a couple of times. You will figure out whether you truly understand how a question works or you just know the answer.

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by bbakang » Tue May 11, 2010 11:25 am
Good luck

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by Toph@GMAT_REBOOT » Tue May 11, 2010 11:36 am
Also, Spidey's and Sahlil's SC notes are both great, if you have time to go through them. I think they can be found in the resources section. If not, search for them.

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by shammokando » Tue May 11, 2010 11:47 am
Riprop wrote:Also, Spidey's and Sahlil's SC notes are both great, if you have time to go through them. I think they can be found in the resources section. If not, search for them.

thanks for the input riprod. Osirus, I really didn't mean to sound offended. I was just inquiring about your logic as I typically expect to do better than I practice because I've been lackadaisical and do not generally make silly mistakes under pressure/focused.

I'm getting to into my head. I think your advice is fantastic about doing less work. Before I studied at all I was already at 750, now that I'm over thinking stuff, I'm variable between a 670 and 760.

I just want to get through all the OG12 questions. For some reason I'm so much more accurate on official gmat questions than other questions. I do find other sources harder, but I also dislike the wording and don't fully agree with a lot of their answers.

I'll relax a bit, take 3 more tests, and just focus on SC and math. I'll update you guys on if I can improve.

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by Toph@GMAT_REBOOT » Tue May 11, 2010 11:58 am
Don't completely ignore RC and CR. Still do maybe 10-15 questions a day from the OG just to keep them fresh. But yeah, you don't have to focus on them as much.

Also, I completely agree... for whatever reason, the verbal questions from test prep companies (and I believe this even as an instructor for a test prep company) seem to be slightly harder to comprehend. It's most likely because they don't have to worry about a lawsuit or such if their is some abiguity. Whereas if an actual GMAT question has that problem... WATCHOUT!

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by Toph@GMAT_REBOOT » Tue May 11, 2010 12:00 pm
Also! If you haven't taken exams w/ essays. DO THAT! You want to be used to taking the Q&V sections after spending an hour sitting in front of the computer typing essays.

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by shammokando » Sun May 16, 2010 10:52 am
Hey guys - so an update.

5 days from the gmat and I took a lot of the advice on this forum. I'd like some more input.

Since I posted, I've been studying a lot (OG12 + MGMAT SC).

I've taken 2 tests since then. 1 on Thursday and 1 Today.
Thursday, after a bit of very good studying, I scored (with no essays) 750 (Q48 V44). No difference in math, in fact I ran out of time completely. I missed a lot more CR/RC than I usually do, but only missed 2 SC (that's about 5x less than I usually do).

Today, I took one with the essays after a lot more study. I finished math with 3 minutes remaining/verbal with 3 minutes remaining. I improved to a 760 (49Q 45V)! I missed only 2 SC again, but felt 100x better on the math. I missed 10 questions on math, which is the fewest I've missed. I've missed as many as 18 (Q40) and as few as 13 (Q48 previously).

I'm feeling great, but I only have 4 days left to study. I have about 100 questions left of the OG 12 (I skipped doing most of the easy ones, so I only started with like 350-400) and a GMATPrep 2 to take.

Questions:
When should I take the GMATPrep 2? Tomorrow (Monday) with no additional study or Tuesday (when my test is on Friday) after I study a bit more?
Any Score Predictions?


I know I have to just do it, but I wanted people thoughts (especially Osirus if you're willing). I scored 750/760 on MGMAT in the last few days, a 750/760 on GMATPrep 1, and a 740 on Kaplan (a while ago). I have non-motivating scores sprinkled in there (670,670,680,640 first test). Is it safe to say that if I focus, fine tune some skills, that I will most likely score 750+ and that I am definitely in the running to hit 760?

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by shammokando » Wed May 19, 2010 8:17 am
So I took the GMATPrep 2 on Tuesday(Yesterday). I started feeling sick around sunday night. Nothing I can do about that.

I ended up doing well on the GMATPrep2, 760, Q51V41(got really tired at the end) and wrote the essays.

Any tips for someone on with the beginning signs of sickness/flu? I think it might unfortunately peak on test day. What happens if I'm coughing/annoying during the test? Will they kick me out?

Just reviewing error logs etc. until I take the test. Trying to relax. Last minute tips?

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by money9111 » Wed May 19, 2010 11:20 am
shammokando wrote: Any tips for someone on with the beginning signs of sickness/flu? I think it might unfortunately peak on test day. What happens if I'm coughing/annoying during the test? Will they kick me out?
I started feeling sick 11 days before the GMAT and I made a post about it... read through it... might find something that's helpful. The best suggestion and what I truly believed worked was getting sleep

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by shammokando » Thu May 20, 2010 4:03 pm
Just thought I'd put in my post before I go into the test.

I'm teetering on sick and not sick, we'll see which side I land on tomorrow for the test. I'm feeling really good prep wise, so I stopped studying and am just relaxing before the test.

Wish me luck!

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by Reva » Fri May 21, 2010 11:29 am
GUD LUCK