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by MBA.Aspirant » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:34 am
In how many number of ways can 7056 be resolved into two factors?


7056 = 3* 3 * 2 * 2* 2 *2 * 7 *7

7056 = 3528 * 2
7056 = 1764 * 4
7056 = 882 * 8
7056 = 441 * 16
7056 = 147 * 48
7056 = 49 * 144
7056 = 7 * 1008
7056 = 1 * 7056

( 8 ways)

can I assume that it'll be decided in 8 ways for each factor? i.e 8*8*8 = 512 ways?
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by MBA.Aspirant » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:35 pm
7056 = 3* 3 * 2 * 2* 2 *2 * 7 *7

3 * (3 * 2 * 2* 2 *2 * 7 *7 ) 1 way
3*3 ( 2 * 2* 2 *2 * 7 *7 ) 2 way
3*3*2 ( 2* 2 *2 * 7 *7) 3 way
3*3*2*2 ( 2 *2 * 7 *7) 4 way
3*3*2*2 *2 (2*7*7) 5 way
3*3*2*2*2*2 (7*7) 6 way
[(3*3*2*2 *2 *2 * 7) * 7] 7 way

so 7 ways for 3

7 ways for 2

and I think 7 was already counted in 3

7056 * 1 is also a way

so total is 7*7 = 49 ways +1 = 50 ways

right/wrong?

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by Ashley@VeritasPrep » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:14 pm
Hmm, something didn't go right with your method, because the answer should be 23 (assuming we are limiting factor pairs to the realm of positive number.) But PLEASE tell me this is not an OG problem, because I would FLIP OUT if something as obscure as this ever showed up on the GMAT. I *highly* doubt it would.

Here's the only way I know (though there may be others I'm not aware of) to go about the problem that doesn't just involve making a giant list (which would take way longer than any GMAT problem would ever be allowed to). It's actually not crazy difficult, I just can't imagine the GMAT would expect people to know or deduce this.

But, it is this:

You can find the number of factors (not factor pairs, just factors) a number has by thinking of the following (I'll use your 7056 for an example). Write out the prime factorization in exponential form. Here we have 7056 = 3^2 * 2^4 * 7^2. Then take a look at those exponents. What we learn from them is that any factor of 7056 will have
either zero, one, or two 3s;
either zero, one, two, three, or four 2s; and
either zero, one, or two 7s.
So that's
3 possibilities for how many 3s there are;
5 possibilities for how 2s there are; and
3 possibilities for how many 7s there are.
(In other words, the get how many different possibilities there are for how many of a particular number there could be, just add one to that number's exponent to account for the fact that there could be 0 of it.)

Now this becomes just like a counting problem where you have e.g. 3 possible shirts, 5 possible pairs of pants, and 3 possible ties, and you want to calculate how many different outfits you could form (only here, "outfits" = "factors"). So there are (3)(5)(3) factors, since every time you change your choice for how many of a certain prime factor there are, you create a new overall factor. So that's 45 factors total.

Now, normally, if you were looking for how many factor pairs there were, you'd just divide that number by 2, since each of the factors in the first half of the list will pair up with a factor in the later half, so we don't want to count those later-half factors as beginnings of new pairs. But clearly if we tried that here, we'd wind up saying there were 22.5 factor pairs, which makes no sense, since you can't really have half a pair. So, this case has one other special element, which is that 7056 is a perfect square, as we can tell from its prime factorization (i.e. we've got (3*2*2*7)*(3*2*2*7)) OR from the fact that it has an odd number of factors, a characteristic unique to perfect squares. It's winding up with an odd number of factors because if we listed those 45 factors in ascending order, that very middle number in the list -- the 23rd term out of the 45 -- would simply be "pairing" with itself (this happens with the "middle" factor for any square). So we really wind up forming 22 pairs by connecting the last factor with the first factor, the second-to-last with the second, the third-to-last with the third and so on, and then when the middle term is left alone, we count an additional pair for it, since it can pair with itself. So here you wind up with 23 factor pairs.

I kind of think this is an awesome trick, but again, if it showed up on the actual GMAT, I'd be shocked!
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by Ashley@VeritasPrep » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:22 pm
PS - In terms of trying to figure out what doesn't work about the way you proposed just above, a couple problems are that your "ways for 3" sometimes wind up overlapping with "ways for 2" and that it relies on the prime factors being locked into that order, or roughly that order, where all the 2s stick together, all the 3s stick together, and all the 7s stick together. Since they needn't be, I think it misses some possibilities from that perspective (and overcounts some from the first perspective!)--
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by Ian Stewart » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:49 pm
MBA.Aspirant wrote:In how many number of ways can 7056 be resolved into two factors?
Where is the question from? First, you wouldn't need to prime factorize a number as awkward as 7056 on the GMAT. Second, while we can prime factorize to get:

7056 = (2^4)(3^2)(7^2)

and then adding 1 to each power and multiplying, determine that 7056 has (5)(3)(3) = 45 distinct positive divisors, it is still completely unclear what the question is asking. First, it makes no grammatical sense; we don't say "in how many numbers of ways" (technically if there are 22 ways to do something then 'how many numbers of ways' to do that thing is one: 22 is one number). Rather, we say "in how many ways..." Second, it is not clear whether we should consider the order of our two factors to matter, whether the question is only concerned with positive factors, and whether we should count (2^2)(3)(7) * (2^2)(3)(7) once or twice. I'd agree with the interpretation Ashley gives above, but the wording of the question is awful. Where is it from?
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by MBA.Aspirant » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:05 am
Ashley@VeritasPrep wrote:Hmm, something didn't go right with your method, because the answer should be 23 (assuming we are limiting factor pairs to the realm of positive number.) But PLEASE tell me this is not an OG problem, because I would FLIP OUT if something as obscure as this ever showed up on the GMAT. I *highly* doubt it would.

Here's the only way I know (though there may be others I'm not aware of) to go about the problem that doesn't just involve making a giant list (which would take way longer than any GMAT problem would ever be allowed to). It's actually not crazy difficult, I just can't imagine the GMAT would expect people to know or deduce this.

But, it is this:

You can find the number of factors (not factor pairs, just factors) a number has by thinking of the following (I'll use your 7056 for an example). Write out the prime factorization in exponential form. Here we have 7056 = 3^2 * 2^4 * 7^2. Then take a look at those exponents. What we learn from them is that any factor of 7056 will have
either zero, one, or two 3s;
either zero, one, two, three, or four 2s; and
either zero, one, or two 7s.
So that's
3 possibilities for how many 3s there are;
5 possibilities for how 2s there are; and
3 possibilities for how many 7s there are.
(In other words, the get how many different possibilities there are for how many of a particular number there could be, just add one to that number's exponent to account for the fact that there could be 0 of it.)

Now this becomes just like a counting problem where you have e.g. 3 possible shirts, 5 possible pairs of pants, and 3 possible ties, and you want to calculate how many different outfits you could form (only here, "outfits" = "factors"). So there are (3)(5)(3) factors, since every time you change your choice for how many of a certain prime factor there are, you create a new overall factor. So that's 45 factors total.

Now, normally, if you were looking for how many factor pairs there were, you'd just divide that number by 2, since each of the factors in the first half of the list will pair up with a factor in the later half, so we don't want to count those later-half factors as beginnings of new pairs. But clearly if we tried that here, we'd wind up saying there were 22.5 factor pairs, which makes no sense, since you can't really have half a pair. So, this case has one other special element, which is that 7056 is a perfect square, as we can tell from its prime factorization (i.e. we've got (3*2*2*7)*(3*2*2*7)) OR from the fact that it has an odd number of factors, a characteristic unique to perfect squares. It's winding up with an odd number of factors because if we listed those 45 factors in ascending order, that very middle number in the list -- the 23rd term out of the 45 -- would simply be "pairing" with itself (this happens with the "middle" factor for any square). So we really wind up forming 22 pairs by connecting the last factor with the first factor, the second-to-last with the second, the third-to-last with the third and so on, and then when the middle term is left alone, we count an additional pair for it, since it can pair with itself. So here you wind up with 23 factor pairs.

I kind of think this is an awesome trick, but again, if it showed up on the actual GMAT, I'd be shocked!
Thanks Ashley for your help. I fully understand the q I just want to reiterate to make sure I fully got it.

number of factors= (4+1) * (2+1) *(2+1) = 45 factors

number of factor pairs = 45/2 = 22.5 pairs
since we can't have 22.5 for a number of pairs, we add 1 more factor to couple with that lonely factor and make a pair, correct? If we took 22 pairs we would be falling short of 1 factor

Also what number would be the extra factor? can it be 1 to have the same value?

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by MBA.Aspirant » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:09 am
Ian Stewart wrote:
MBA.Aspirant wrote:In how many number of ways can 7056 be resolved into two factors?
Where is the question from? First, you wouldn't need to prime factorize a number as awkward as 7056 on the GMAT. Second, while we can prime factorize to get:

7056 = (2^4)(3^2)(7^2)

and then adding 1 to each power and multiplying, determine that 7056 has (5)(3)(3) = 45 distinct positive divisors, it is still completely unclear what the question is asking. First, it makes no grammatical sense; we don't say "in how many numbers of ways" (technically if there are 22 ways to do something then 'how many numbers of ways' to do that thing is one: 22 is one number). Rather, we say "in how many ways..." Second, it is not clear whether we should consider the order of our two factors to matter, whether the question is only concerned with positive factors, and whether we should count (2^2)(3)(7) * (2^2)(3)(7) once or twice. I'd agree with the interpretation Ashley gives above, but the wording of the question is awful. Where is it from?
Thanks Ian for your help. This q is from Kaplan facebook page. It was posted by someone there not Kaplan.

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by Ashley@VeritasPrep » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:24 am
MBA.Aspirant wrote: Also what number would be the extra factor? can it be 1 to have the same value?
Good reiteration. You will only wind up with an odd number of distinct factors when the number is a perfect square number. Let's look at a square smaller than 7056 to demonstrate.

Factors of 36:
1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 12, 18, 36

Every factor pairs up with the factor of the matching color. But the middle factor -- which (if you list the factors in order) will always be the square root of the perfect square you started with -- forms a factor pair with itself.

So here, in the case of 36, we note that we've got an odd number of factors, subtract one from that number of factors and divide by two to get the number of pairs, then add a pair back for the middle number we didn't count. Or you can thinking of inserting an extra copy of the middle number into the list of factors, so that everything can partner with something else in the list, and that way when you divide by two you'll still get a whole number. (It also works, of course, if you do it the way you suggest -- with getting something.5 pairs and then rounding up, but this is why.)
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