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fossils of feathered dinosaurs

Post Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:39 am
Unearthed in China, fossils of feathered dinosaurs offer the most dramatic evidence
yet discovered of the close evolutionary relationship between dinosaurs and birds
.
A. offer the most dramatic evidence yet discovered of the close evolutionary relationship
between dinosaurs and birds
B. offer evidence more dramatic than what has yet been discovered of the close
evolutionary relationship between dinosaurs and birds
C. offer more dramatic evidence of the close evolutionary relationship than any yet
discovered between dinosaurs and birds
D. have offered the most dramatic evidence of the close evolutionary relationship
between dinosaurs and birds that have yet been discovered
E. have offered more dramatic evidence than any that has yet been discovered of the
close evolutionary relationship between dinosaurs and birds

I am confused between A and B.
Can you explain

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Post Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:46 am
Hi I am able to get that
a. Most is used when the comparison is among 3 or more things -evidence now with evidence(w,y,z,..) so far
b- more- when it is between two things X and Y (evidence so far discovered)
But both seem ok to me(as we don't know whether in the past only 1 or more than 1 was discovered).
why is B wrong (might be only 1 evidence was discovered in the past)

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Post Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:09 am
i received a private message about this thread.

as far as (b), you've basically got a sentence that says that the fossil evidence is more dramatic than itself -- i.e., it's a self-contradictory sentence.

see, what has yet been discovered means "everything that has been discovered up to this point". so, the sentence says that the fossil evidence is more dramatic than anything that has been discovered up to now.
... but that's a problem, because the fossil evidence itself is part of "what has yet been discovered".

as an analogy, this is sort of like saying, "Ron has bigger feet than anyone ever born". you can see what the problem is here -- well, i was born at some point, too, so this sentence would imply that my feet are bigger than themselves. not logical.

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more/most isn't really an issue here, because both are used properly.
if you changed (b) a little bit to include "else" --
... offer evidence more dramatic than anything else yet discovered...
-- then it would be fine.
(similarly, Ron has bigger feet than anyone else ever born is a perfectly respectable sentence.)

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Post Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:16 am
Hi Ron,

Thank you for clarifying the doubt in detail.

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Post Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:57 am
What is the OA?

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Post Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:11 am
OA: A

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Post Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:25 am
amnesty17 wrote:
Unearthed in China, fossils of feathered dinosaurs offer the most dramatic evidence
yet discovered of the close evolutionary relationship between dinosaurs and birds
.
A. offer the most dramatic evidence yet discovered of the close evolutionary relationship
between dinosaurs and birds
B. offer evidence more dramatic than what has yet been discovered of the close
evolutionary relationship between dinosaurs and birds
C. offer more dramatic evidence of the close evolutionary relationship than any yet
discovered between dinosaurs and birds
D. have offered the most dramatic evidence of the close evolutionary relationship
between dinosaurs and birds that have yet been discovered
E. have offered more dramatic evidence than any that has yet been discovered of the
close evolutionary relationship between dinosaurs and birds
I agree that A is the best, but am still confused with "yet".

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Post Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:21 am
1. yet is not a contrast in this sentence
like 'I was late to work, yet I gave my presentation on time' - here the usage of yet is contrast.

2.But in this sentence it means 'so far'
'I have not yet reached my home'
...not yet discovered.. is smilar to above usage (sentence 2)

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Post Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:54 am
amnesty17 wrote:
1. yet is not a contrast in this sentence
like 'I was late to work, yet I gave my presentation on time' - here the usage of yet is contrast.

2.But in this sentence it means 'so far'
'I have not yet reached my home'
...not yet discovered.. is smilar to above usage (sentence 2)
Oh, I see. "yet" means "not yet" Smile
so "yet discovered of... " modifies "evidence".

Thank so much, amnesty17!

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Post Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:51 am
Sorry in sentence it is 'yet discovered' meaning 'evidence so far discovered '

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Post Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:07 am
So, the other way to write this phrase of the sentence is "...evidence that has been discovered of ...so far", isn't it?

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Post Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:12 pm
Hi ,

Yes , the one you mentioned is correct

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Post Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:38 pm
Thanks amnesty17 for the discussion! I'll remember this "rule" forever Smile

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