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by thinkpink25 » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:16 am
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I have a quick question. I have started studying for the GMAT and i purchased the foundation of verbal and math of Manhattan and its 10 guides. Of the veritas series, what books do yall think is essential for me to use? I know they overlap, but I wanted to see which were most important so I can prepare for my exam at the beginning of January. Thanks
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by David@VeritasPrep » Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:18 am
In particular, there are a couple of Veritas books that do not overlap and that are highly regarded namely "Data Sufficiency" and "Probabilities, Permutations and Combinations." The set you have does not have books dedicated to these subjects. Both books are at Amazon here https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_ ... ritas+prep

Here is the BTG review of the probabilities book.
https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/2010/07/ ... ook-review

Other than that you can see if what you have does it for you and always check in here at BTG if you have questions. I am sure that you have the OG 13th edition. If not be sure to get that.
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by vomhorizon » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:54 pm
David , how would you rate the Veritas Advanced Word Problems & Quantitative Review Book ? I am hitting 42-44 in quant CAT's and want my score to improve to 47+, Is this book a logical step up from the basic fundamental book? If i buy this book from Amazon, Will I get access to the VP CAT's ?
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by David@VeritasPrep » Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:01 am
That is probably my favorite book in the series. It has tons of problems and each of them is very GMAT and very tough. The problems in the lesson are great because they are almost all above the 75th percentile and many are 90th percentile and up. The homework questions are the same - very tough, very tricky. That is the book I would recommend for your circumstances.

Let me get back to you on your second question. I want to make sure I give you the most up to date info.
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by Rastis » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:00 am
What about if you can't break a 35 on the quant and have the veritas books?

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by vomhorizon » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:34 am
Rastis wrote:What about if you can't break a 35 on the quant and have the veritas books?
You need to REBUILD your BASICS (i am in a similar boat), go back to the fundamentals and work up. It is one thing finishing a BOOK but another to have mastered it, or absorbed all the wisdom that it is trying to impart :-)..

I was spending too much time on ADVANCED quant and specialized books and when i started taking the tests i found my score in the vicinity of 42-44 and saw myself make silly mistakes in NOT SO TOUGH QUESTIONS...When i analyzed my prep for the last 1-2 months i realized that i was taking a lot of things for granted and concentrating on the super tough questions as opposed to spending adequate time on MEDIUM difficulty questions which i would have to breeze past in order to arrive to the tough questions.
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by Rastis » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:01 am
My biggest problem is that I have trouble figuring out how to tackle questions and start getting frustrated and discouraged when i have to guess and move on which just screws up my ability to perform well on all the questions. The same thing goes for Verbal. I can get the majority of the questions correct when I practice but that doesn't transfer over to practice tests. I'm taking my real exam on Dec 1 and i'm not confident

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by vomhorizon » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:34 am
Rastis wrote:My biggest problem is that I have trouble figuring out how to tackle questions and start getting frustrated and discouraged when i have to guess and move on which just screws up my ability to perform well on all the questions. The same thing goes for Verbal. I can get the majority of the questions correct when I practice but that doesn't transfer over to practice tests. I'm taking my real exam on Dec 1 and i'm not confident
Although i have not read any VP Material, from what i have heard i am sure the APPROACHES to commonly asked topics on the GMAT ( Word problems, Number properties, Rate/work, Stats etc) are pretty comprehensibly explained in their material. Where you are most likely falling short is that you are not fully comprehending the approaches before moving on to the next topic. Perhaps you should re-do the prep material until you start to have confidence in your ability to re-produce the approach in a test environment. I started on my quant from the bottom of the bottom and faced similar issues and my approach was to revise every topic i covered even if i had it locked down and was getting many of the problems from that topic right. At the end of the day REVISION is important, as we have been taught from Grade I. I was in a similar situation a couple of days ago when i took my first CAT (GMAT PREP) i spend 4 minutes on a RATE/WORK problem, the likes of which i was acing without much hastle in my prep. Because i had been breezing past that particular topic i did not revise it (even once). Needless to say i got it wrong and learnt a tough but valuable lesson - Always revise topics covered during the prep, and concentrate very hard on WT problems and to read each and every word of a WORD TRANSLATION problem especially given that GMAT loves to lay subtle traps for you to trip on even on relatively easy problems.
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by David@VeritasPrep » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:07 am
Rastis:

What vomhorizon is saying is quite correct! Worth reading again...

Let me add to this with something that you might want to consider.

There are basically three types of ways to miss a problem.

1) Lack of Knowledge: You can miss it based on a lack of base knowledge, such as math equations, formulas, or sentence correct grammar.

2) Lack of Strategy/Recognition You can miss the question because even though you know the technique or equation, you do not know how to apply it in a given situation, you do not know that it can be applied here, or you have trouble putting the different formulas together on a single problem which

3) Silly Mistakes: Assumptions, Avoidable Errors, Answering the wrong question, Falling for tricks These types of errors are the result of being rushed, of a lapse in attention, but especially from not having procedures in place to avoid these errors and catch them if you do make them.

These three errors are not equal!! The first two errors are actually OPPORTUNITIES while the third error type is a TRAGEDY
For error 1) Lack of knowledge, If you find that you have a lack of knowledge in a certain area you can easily find that knowledge, such as the area formula for a particular shape, and then memorize it. Ideally you will remedy your lack of knowledge and be ready for the next time you need the information.

For error 2) Lack of strategy/ Recognition - this is what practice is really for! You can concentrate on identifying various questions, on seeing that this problem can be addressed with this formula, on seeing the tendencies, etc. In order to master this area you should look at each problem not for itself, you will not likely see that exact problem on test day!, but for the "take away" - the things that you can learn from this problem to apply to future problems. This is not about memorization, but about truly learning to see the directions that things can flow and the techniques that can be applied.

For error 3) Silly mistakes - this area comprises as many mistakes overall as the other two combined. Think about it, the GMAT adapts to you. So it is asking you questions at about your level of ability. In most cases this means that you will have the base knowledge for those questions and often you will know how to apply it, but everyone is in a position to make a "silly mistake." This type of error undermines everything for you, A) your confidence (you keep missing easy questions), B) your practice (you don't get to see the harder questions on the practice tests so you don't get to work on your knowledge and strategy, you get frustrated and do not spend as much time with the ones that you missed because they were questions you should have gotten right) C) your GMAT score.

So here is what I have to say. Right now, make sure that you have methods and procedures in place to avoid these silly errors. Here is an article about these types of techniques - I call them "handrails" because they keep you from slipping. https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/2012/10/ ... -handrails

So address those "silly mistakes" first and then you can build on your knowledge base and do what practice is really supposed to be about - learning to recognize which tactics might work and how to apply them.
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by vomhorizon » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:21 am
David@VeritasPrep wrote:Rastis:

What vomhorizon is saying is quite correct! Worth reading again...

Let me add to this with something that you might want to consider.

There are basically three types of ways to miss a problem.

1) Lack of Knowledge: You can miss it based on a lack of base knowledge, such as math equations, formulas, or sentence correct grammar.

2) Lack of Strategy/Recognition You can miss the question because even though you know the technique or equation, you do not know how to apply it in a given situation, you do not know that it can be applied here, or you have trouble putting the different formulas together on a single problem which

3) Silly Mistakes: Assumptions, Avoidable Errors, Answering the wrong question, Falling for tricks These types of errors are the result of being rushed, of a lapse in attention, but especially from not having procedures in place to avoid these errors and catch them if you do make them.

These three errors are not equal!! The first two errors are actually OPPORTUNITIES while the third error type is a TRAGEDY
For error 1) Lack of knowledge, If you find that you have a lack of knowledge in a certain area you can easily find that knowledge, such as the area formula for a particular shape, and then memorize it. Ideally you will remedy your lack of knowledge and be ready for the next time you need the information.

For error 2) Lack of strategy/ Recognition - this is what practice is really for! You can concentrate on identifying various questions, on seeing that this problem can be addressed with this formula, on seeing the tendencies, etc. In order to master this area you should look at each problem not for itself, you will not likely see that exact problem on test day!, but for the "take away" - the things that you can learn from this problem to apply to future problems. This is not about memorization, but about truly learning to see the directions that things can flow and the techniques that can be applied.

For error 3) Silly mistakes - this area comprises as many mistakes overall as the other two combined. Think about it, the GMAT adapts to you. So it is asking you questions at about your level of ability. In most cases this means that you will have the base knowledge for those questions and often you will know how to apply it, but everyone is in a position to make a "silly mistake." This type of error undermines everything for you, A) your confidence (you keep missing easy questions), B) your practice (you don't get to see the harder questions on the practice tests so you don't get to work on your knowledge and strategy, you get frustrated and do not spend as much time with the ones that you missed because they were questions you should have gotten right) C) your GMAT score.

So here is what I have to say. Right now, make sure that you have methods and procedures in place to avoid these silly errors. Here is an article about these types of techniques - I call them "handrails" because they keep you from slipping. https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/2012/10/ ... -handrails

So address those "silly mistakes" first and then you can build on your knowledge base and do what practice is really supposed to be about - learning to recognize which tactics might work and how to apply them.
Excellent post. I must say that most of us who sign up for the GMAT will pretty much have the first two locked down ( would have covered all the resources required, and would have practiced strategy) but the 3 point is the ultimate decider on " how well you will do on the gmat".. Like any OPERATION/PLAN/STRATEGY etc it all comes down to EXECUTION and that is what i feel the GMAT counts on for majority of the test takers to TRIP on ;-). We must remember here that we are taking a test that covers topics that are essentially covered by high school students, and the GMAT has to stay within the constraints of those topics and design questions that are to be attempted by college grads so it will use its BAG OF TRICKS..so we must be aware of that , and indeed prepare !!
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by Rastis » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:07 am
Thanks guys.

I know my biggest issue is with the second point David alluded to. Looking at a problem and going blank. I must've missed 8 questions in a row in a practice CAT over the weekend, some for that exact reason and some for silly mistakes. I try to redo those respective problems on my own w/o having to look at the explanation but I've also learned that some question types are better left to guess (sequence for example).

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by David@VeritasPrep » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:20 am
It is very important to know which types of questions you are not great at. You mention sequences. If the category is not too large you might even be able to just skip those questions on the test (sequences will not be too many questions - whereas "exponents" would be a big category).

My advice is to try to do all types of questions as you are working toward the exam. However, whenever you are within a short window and you do not think that you will ever improve on probabilities (or whatever) despite your best efforts then you may need to look at that question type strategically.

Here is my general advice on timing on test day. Two simple points:

1) if you can get a question right and you are making progress, then forget the clock and just work carefully and efficiently to an answer.

2) Give each question your best effort BUT if you are not making progress on a question within say 1 minute to 90 seconds, then you will need to let that one go and guess at it and move on. The test is whether you are making progress.

If you have a question type that you seem to always miss, then you might even have a tighter time frame than 1 minute. For example, if you do not understand a sequence right away then you might give yourself permission to move on.

Here is an article about strategy on the Quant session that details everything I just talked about here. https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/2012/04/ ... at-success
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by Rastis » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:21 am
I started doing DS questions out of the OG supplemental quant book and i've gotten maybe 5 out of the 15 problems i've done so far incorrect. I've never been this bad at DS in practice. Assuming things (points on a number line can be both positive AND negative for example) but also not knowing to set up an equation (or how for that matter) are the main issues I've noticed so far. When did i get so bad at this stuff all of the sudden? Especially after over a year of studying?

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by vomhorizon » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:58 am
@ David ..

Just ordered the DS and Word Problem book, hope to get it in a couple of days (Did order it from offical VP source so will get access to the 5 CAT's ). Will be brainstorming with both these books and hopefully a few weeks with them will push my quant score to 45 ( from 43).. I will take the first Veritas prep free CAT around the middle of December ..

Edit: Have started the Advanced Word Problems & Quantitative Review book: It is an amazing book with some very good questions all of which are of moderate to high quality.
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by leakhena » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:57 pm
Hi,

I've seen a new set of books for the GMAT from veritas. They have 12 books and not 15 like before.
When were they released and do I have access to some GMAT practice tests online ?
It's not mentioned in the website. I also don't have the titles of the 12 books, and how long does it take to send them to the UK or France ? I am wondering because there are few informations..I'm very interessed in the books but I want more information before ordering.
Thanks

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