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OG 12th ed. Marconi' conception

by mundasingh123 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:35 am
Q10:
Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.
A. Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

I would wait for a few replies before posting the OA.But i need a clarification on the OA which i dont agree with.
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by kvcpk » Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:49 am
"conceive of X as Y" is the proper idiom.
DE Out.
"but which is" is wrong in B.
"Conception of" is wrong in A.

pick C.
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by The Jock » Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:49 am
IMO C, because it has correct idiomatic structure.
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by mundasingh123 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:55 am
mundasingh123 wrote:Q10:
Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.
A. Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

I would wait for a few replies before posting the OA.But i need a clarification on the OA which i dont agree with.
I agree "conceive of " is the correct idiom,but pay attention to the structure of the fragment in (c).
The clause "that could substitute for the telephone" modifies the noun that precedes it .
It seems as if the conversation is the tool that could substitute the for telephone.
I would request fellow students and experts to pour in with their views and explanations.
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by paes » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:04 am
IMO C:

'that' can modify to a noun which is not closest to it.

There are many exampples in OG.

Also Please underlined your question properly.
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by mundasingh123 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:17 am
As indicated in the following screenshot,Tommy walach points out a similar sentence where "that" modifies the noun before it.
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Can Some expert explain?
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by mundasingh123 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:34 am
mundasingh123 wrote:
mundasingh123 wrote:Q10:
Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.
A. Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

I would wait for a few replies before posting the OA.But i need a clarification on the OA which i dont agree with.
I agree "conceive of " is the correct idiom,but pay attention to the structure of the fragment in (c).
The clause "that could substitute for the telephone" modifies the noun that precedes it .
It seems as if the conversation is the tool that could substitute the for telephone.
I would request fellow students and experts to pour in with their views and explanations.
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Can some expert explain.
I have attached a screenshot from a fellow member who has pointed out such a case from the OG itself where the "that" clause modifies the noun preceding it
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by paes » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:50 am
MundaSingh,

'that' can modify to a noun closest to it

'that' can modify to a noun - not closest to it.

[ there is no strict rule for 'that' -> depending on the context/meaning of the sentence, it can modify to closest noun or non-closest noun. ]

----> now with the above rule, what problem you are seeing with C.


The problem which you are attaching, can have many other aspects also.
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by mundasingh123 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:08 am
I wish to confirm this since Tommy walach and ron purewell both have written that
subject + prepositional modifier + "that clause" creates complications.
I am not being stubborn but i would like to clear this confusion before i lose track of it.
Also perhaps paes ,you can help me with the Pronoun "it",it could refer to so many antecedents "radio" "telephone","communication" that come before it
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by paes » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:14 am
UNDERLINE YOUR FIRST POST i.e. QUESTION

usage of it:

it is used for radio.

See:
in first part of the sentence
radio : subject
telephone : object

now see the second part:
'it' : used as a subject

so 'it' is referring to radio.
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by outreach » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:15 am
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by mundasingh123 » Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:15 am
still more clarification required.
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by gmatmachoman » Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:40 am
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.


"for private conversation " is a prepositional phrase. Try removing it from the core of the sentence.


Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

So now "that" refers back only to tool.

"it" has a logical reference to "radio" as the author focuses on "radio" and not on TV.

Pick C
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by GMATGuruNY » Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:53 am
mundasingh123 wrote:Q10:
Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.
A. Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

I would wait for a few replies before posting the OA.But i need a clarification on the OA which i dont agree with.
In A, the pronoun it seems to refers -- incorrectly -- to conception, but the radio is the tool for communicating with a large, public audience. Eliminate A.

The correct idiom is conceive of X as Y. Eliminate D and E.

In B, the pronoun which seems to refer -- incorrectly -- to the telephone, but the radio is the tool for communicating with a large, public audience. Eliminate B.

The correct answer in C.

In C, the pronoun that refers to tool.

C uses a common grammatical construction, noun + prepositional modifier + that, in which the pronoun that refers to the noun that precedes the prepositional modifier: in a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone, that refers to tool.

Another example:

The ending was the part of the movie that I enjoyed the most.

In the sentence above, that refers to part, the noun that precedes the prepositional modifier of the movie.
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by mundasingh123 » Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:35 pm
GMATGuruNY wrote:
mundasingh123 wrote:Q10:
Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.
A. Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

I would wait for a few replies before posting the OA.But i need a clarification on the OA which i dont agree with.
In A, the pronoun it seems to refers -- incorrectly -- to conception, but the radio is the tool for communicating with a large, public audience. Eliminate A.

The correct idiom is conceive of X as Y. Eliminate D and E.

In B, the pronoun which seems to refer -- incorrectly -- to the telephone, but the radio is the tool for communicating with a large, public audience. Eliminate B.

The correct answer in C.

In C, the pronoun that refers to tool.

C uses a common grammatical construction, noun + prepositional modifier + that, in which the pronoun that refers to the noun that precedes the prepositional modifier: in a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone, that refers to tool.

Another example:

The ending was the part of the movie that I enjoyed the most.

In the sentence above, that refers to part, the noun that precedes the prepositional modifier of the movie.
Thanks Mitch,1 last question before i consider my doubt totally resolved ,
Please Consider the following sentence
"The boxing scene was the part of the movie that i enjoyed the most"
Here the " that " clause modifies "part "
It means it was the part that i enjoyed the most
What if i want the "that " clause to modify the movie
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