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Though i'm not an expert, i'm just a student but i must say i that this post of yours unnecessarily interrupted the flow of this thread.

i hear you, but the flow of the thread was already pretty much wrecked by this person's combination of "i really want to learn this concept" and then basically refusing to learn the concept, from an expert who obviously and clearly knows what he is talking about.

atulmangal wrote:I know some people who scored perfect 800 in GMAT. One of them is a GMAT instructor in Bangalore, and his notes contain so many concepts compiled from Ron's post.

are you talking about sandeep gupta, from "ivy gmat"?
https://ivy-gmat.blocked/2010/10/fr ... l-and.html

if so, you should know that he is not telling the truth about his supposed perfect 800.
first of all, he claims that he has gotten scores ranging from 770 to 800 ... yet only posted his 770 official report on his website. (obviously, if he had really gotten an 800, then he would post that report ... hello!!)
second, i posted a comment on the ivy-gmat blog requesting that he post the updated official score report with his 800 on it ... yep, he deleted it pretty much immediately.

so, if that's the instructor you're talking about, then, sorry, but no 800.
if you're thinking of someone else, then i apologize.

100% agree with Atul.. Most of the time Ron himself doesn't mind answering our query..

are you talking about sandeep gupta, from "ivy gmat"?
https://ivy-gmat.blocked/2010/10/fr ... l-and.html

if so, you should know that he is not telling the truth about his supposed perfect 800.
first of all, he claims that he has gotten scores ranging from 770 to 800 ... yet only posted his 770 official report on his website. (obviously, if he had really gotten an 800, then he would post that report ... hello!!)
second, i posted a comment on the ivy-gmat blog requesting that he post the updated official score report with his 800 on it ... yep, he deleted it pretty much immediately.

Yup i was talking about Sandeep Gupta. Though i'm not his student, but once i attended his seminar in Bangalore. He showed us his official score report, having perfect 800 score AWA 5.5 year 2008, on the projector screen. You can understand, for a student preparing for GMAT, what a sight that would be. For record, that time he provide us the link too where we can check the score online, now i don't have that link. Also, a guy who is claiming that he scored such a score in newspapers, magazines etc and no other GMAT faculty here in India is questioning him??? seems to me a sufficient proof. Still, i will try to arrange that official link for you.

the thread was already pretty much wrecked by this person's combination of "i really want to learn this concept" and then basically refusing to learn the concept, from an expert who obviously and clearly knows what he is talking about.

Nothing personal dude, but if you read (which m sure u did), in one of his post, @EducationAisle mentioned that he himself is a faculty. It means he deserves an equal respect, doesn't matter he is a non-native English faculty. So if two faculties are discussing something or even arguing, wisdom says one should keep quiet and pay respect to their thoughts..unless the one himself is an Expert or a faculty.

atulmangal wrote:@EducationAisle mentioned that he himself is a faculty. It means he deserves an equal respect, doesn't matter he is a non-native English faculty. So if two faculties are discussing something or even arguing, wisdom says one should keep quiet and pay respect to their thoughts..unless the one himself is an Expert or a faculty.

Much is wrong with this statement.

First, I have taken the GMAT, and I scored an 800.

Second, just because someone says something (example: "I am a faculty," "I scored an 800," "I am the President's best friend") does not mean it's true. That doesn't mean you should go around doubting everything people say, but perhaps a small dose of skepticism would be useful.

atulmangal wrote:no other GMAT faculty here in India is questioning him

This doesn't surprise me in the least, but it also does not imply that Mr. Gupta is telling the truth. See above.

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Why do we follow Ron? Because Ron says he got an 800? Or because Ron consistently provides us with excellent advice? Hopefully, it's the latter. After all, I've never seen Ron's score report. Yet, based on his excellent posts, I don't doubt that he scored an 800. To be fair, I've also never seen EducationAisle's score report. But, considering he actually teaches for a company whose website - the face of the company - is littered with incorrect usage of the English language, I would question his status as a 99th percentile GMAT scorer. Even if he did score in the 99th percentile (in which case, congratulations), I don't think he has the verbal clout to be arguing with not just Ron, but several other native speakers and GMAT instructors on this thread.

After all, he gave examples and, once they were shot down, basically said "but what if I'm right." I am merely frustrated because he said "I want to understand this concept" and then ignored everyone who told him he was wrong. You may note that he has not actually modified his examples or his questions, he has simply asked the same questions over and over again, and gotten shot down each time.

Look, the main reason I think it is important for him to "step down" is because of what you said:

atulmangal wrote:It means he deserves an equal respect

You, and people like you, obviously highly regard people who claim to be experts/faculty. This is not the first time EducationAisle has been wrong. If he continues to go around answering questions with the authority of an instructor, people like you will fall prey to his incorrect answers. It's fine that he's being incorrect on this thread, because Ron is here to counter him. However, if Ron were not on this thread it is likely that you would believe his stance that the 'thrust' is on 'belief' and that you should approach similar problems this way.

Guys .. Lets stop this discussion here. This is not looking good. Lets use the productive hours in right direction.

T0rrtuga, let me start by saying that I find all your mails to be exceptionally offensive and in very bad taste.

My exam is just in another couple of weeks and I have immensely benefited from this forum. Nevertheless, this is my first post on the forum. Posts from experts on this forum have helped me
increase my accuracy in SC (including posts from EducationAisle; in fact, I distinctly remember Ron himself appreciating at least one EducationAisle's responses; let me know if you want me to dig it up).

On the other hand, there have been posts from many experts (including GMATGuruNY, who has a 790 on GMAT) whose responses have been occasionally wrong. However, I know he is an expert, since I have first hand experience and pleasure of learning from his posts.

So, whats your point? Should all experts just shut up and Ron be the only one to respond to all the queries?

Going by the responses of others, I do get a feeling that I am not the only one who finds your mails in poor taste. If you are a competitor to EducationAisle, then your tirade is understandable (though still not excusable), else you should be reported for abuse.

p.s. I noticed that Ron is the only person EducationAisle is following on this forum. So, I would think EducationAisle is well aware of Ron's credentials and does not need any lessons from you.

My thought process has been evolving on this. While replying, I hope members/experts would maintain the objectivity that is so characteristic of this forum and not let themselves digress by the unsavory turn this thread had inadvertently taken.

Here is what I think:

If the following is correct.....

Jesse Owens is believed to have been the best athlete the world has ever seen.

.....then, the following will also be correct:

Jesse Owens has been the best athlete the world has ever seen.

On the other hand, if the following is correct....

Jesse Owens is believed to be the best athlete the world has ever seen.

.....then, the following will also be correct:

Jesse Owens is the best athlete the world has ever seen.


If you agree with the above, then it would further interest you to go through the link: https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/ask-t ... rrect.html.

However, please be informed that while usingenglish provides a good English forum, it is clearly a non-GMAT forum. Hence, this might be perhaps of academic interest. Nevertheless, I thought I would share this in the forum and invite comments.

p.s. I also found that the original question is part of 1000 SC.

EducationAisle wrote:Could you let me know the source of this question. I would have expected a choice F as:

(F) and it is believed to be

For comparison, would you say:

Jesse Owens is believed to be the most gifted athlete the world has ever seen.

Or would you rather twist it and turn it and say the exceedingly complex:

Jesse Owens is believed to have been the most gifted athlete the world has ever seen.

+1 for F
even i think that F should be the answer

the source is 1000 SC doc