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jkwan: Junior | Next Rank: 30 Posts; Posts: 23; Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:28 pm; Location: California

by jkwan » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:10 pm

A set of numbers has the property that for any number t in the set, t + 2 is in the set. If –1 is in the set, which of the following must also be in the set?

I. -3
II. 1
III. 5

A. I only
B. II only
C. I and II only
D. II and III only
E. I, II, and III

The answer is D... I can't seem to figure out why the answer wouldn't be E? If -1 is in the set, couldn't -1 be the result of T+2, therefore T would be -3? Help please! Thanks

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sachinkr: Junior | Next Rank: 30 Posts; Posts: 28; Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:35 pm; Thanked: 7 times

by sachinkr » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:57 pm

The question states: if number t is in the set, then number (t+2) will also in the set.
-1 is in set
So the set will have -1, -1+2 = 1, 1+2 =3, 3+2=5 and so on.

-1 will be smallest element in the set.
(-1,1,3,5,7)

-3 could also be in set but it is not definite that it will always be in set.
i.e set could be (-5,-3,-1,1,3,5,and so on), (-3,-1,1,3,5...) or (-1,1,3,5,...)
So -3 is present only in first 2 sets and not in third.

As the question asks which elements must be in the set, the correct answer will be 1 and 5. (Ans: D)

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jkwan: Junior | Next Rank: 30 Posts; Posts: 23; Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:28 pm; Location: California

by jkwan » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:59 pm

sachinkr wrote:The question states: if number t is in the set, then number (t+2) will also in the set.
-1 is in set
So the set will have -1, -1+2 = 1, 1+2 =3, 3+2=5 and so on.

-1 will be smallest element in the set.
(-1,1,3,5,7)

-3 could also be in set but it is not definite that it will always be in set.
i.e set could be (-5,-3,-1,1,3,5,and so on), (-3,-1,1,3,5...) or (-1,1,3,5,...)
So -3 is present only in first 2 sets and not in third.

As the question asks which elements must be in the set, the correct answer will be 1 and 5. (Ans: D)

Ahh! Awesome..thanks!

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joostinshu: Senior | Next Rank: 100 Posts; Posts: 33; Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:57 amFollowed by: 1 member; Thanked: 2 times; GMAT Score:680

by joostinshu » Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:18 am

If it is given the -1 is in the set then does it not follow that the value preceding -1 must be -3? It states that for any value in the set it is true that t+2 is also in the set. If -1 is in the set then the value before it must be there as well given the construct of the question.

What am I missing here?

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by Ian Stewart » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:28 am

joostinshu wrote:If it is given the -1 is in the set then does it not follow that the value preceding -1 must be -3? It states that for any value in the set it is true that t+2 is also in the set. If -1 is in the set then the value before it must be there as well given the construct of the question.

What am I missing here?

The set could be:

{-1, 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, ...}

This set agrees with the definition given - for any number t in the set above, t+2 is also in the set. Of course, the set could start at some smaller number - it could also be

{-5, -3, -1, 1, 3, 5, ...}

for example, or it could even consist of all odd integers. But there is no need for -3 to be in the set; the smallest element could be -1.

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by nmammeri » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:30 am

If it is given the -1 is in the set then does it not follow that the value preceding -1 must be -3? It states that for any value in the set it is true that t+2 is also in the set. If -1 is in the set then the value before it must be there as well given the construct of the question.

What am I missing here?

Good question. The statement says t => t+2 this means if t is in the set this implies that t+2 is also in the set and not the vice versa ( fundamental logic definition).

You would be right If it was a logical equivalence i.e. t <=> t+2. which means t => t+2 and t+2 => t at the same time. This question is about implication not logical equivalence.

Hope this will help

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