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by anshulagarwal12 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:09 am

Research has shown that when speaking, individuals who have been blind from birth and have thus never seen anyone gesture nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way as sighted people do,and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.
(A) have thus never seen anyone gesture nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way as sighted people do, and that
(B) have thus never seen anyone gesture but nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way that sighted people do, and
(C) have thus never seen anyone gesture, that they nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way as sighted people do, and
(D) thus they have never seen anyone gesture, but nonetheless they make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way that sighted people do, and that
(E) thus they have never seen anyone gesture nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way that sighted people do, and

In this between A & C, I choose C because I dont feel the need of "that" after and , as I dont need parallelism here.

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by Mission2012 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:44 am

Hi,

My pick is A

Research has shown that when speaking, individuals who have been blind from birth and have thus never seen anyone gesture, that they nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way as sighted people do, and they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.

Isn't "that they" makes option "C" incorrect

anshulagarwal12 wrote:Research has shown that when speaking, individuals who have been blind from birth and have thus never seen anyone gesture nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way as sighted people do,and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.
(A) have thus never seen anyone gesture nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way as sighted people do, and that
(B) have thus never seen anyone gesture but nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way that sighted people do, and
(C) have thus never seen anyone gesture, that they nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way as sighted people do, and
(D) thus they have never seen anyone gesture, but nonetheless they make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way that sighted people do, and that
(E) thus they have never seen anyone gesture nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way that sighted people do, and

In this between A & C, I choose C because I dont feel the need of "that" after and , as I dont need parallelism here.

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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:44 am

anshulagarwal12 wrote:Research has shown that when speaking, individuals who have been blind from birth and have thus never seen anyone gesture nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way as sighted people do,and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.
(A) have thus never seen anyone gesture nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way as sighted people do, and that
(B) have thus never seen anyone gesture but nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way that sighted people do, and
(C) have thus never seen anyone gesture, that they nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way as sighted people do, and
(D) thus they have never seen anyone gesture, but nonetheless they make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way that sighted people do, and that
(E) thus they have never seen anyone gesture nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way that sighted people do, and

In this between A & C, I choose C because I dont feel the need of "that" after and , as I dont need parallelism here.

In the SC above, when speaking and who have been blind from birth and have thus never seen anyone gesture serve as modifiers.
Here is the core structure of C, with these modifiers omitted:
Research has shown that individuals THAT THEY nonetheless make hand motions.
The words in red serve no purpose.

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by EducationAisle » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:44 am

Wow..very curious to know the source of this question. It seems to be close to OG 12 question (#46), reproduced below:

Researchers have found that individuals who have been blind from birth, and who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.

You might want to quickly go thru the OE to get the clarity you are looking for.

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by EducationAisle » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:51 am

Sorry could't help notice that the time for each of the above three posts (including mine) is identical - 12:14am. Wonder how often it happens on btg.

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by 7777 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:46 pm

GMATGuruNY wrote:
anshulagarwal12 wrote:Research has shown that when speaking, individuals who have been blind from birth and have thus never seen anyone gesture nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way as sighted people do,and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.
(A) have thus never seen anyone gesture nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way as sighted people do, and that
(B) have thus never seen anyone gesture but nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way that sighted people do, and
(C) have thus never seen anyone gesture, that they nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way as sighted people do, and
(D) thus they have never seen anyone gesture, but nonetheless they make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way that sighted people do, and that
(E) thus they have never seen anyone gesture nonetheless make hand motions just as frequently and in the same way that sighted people do, and

In this between A & C, I choose C because I dont feel the need of "that" after and , as I dont need parallelism here.
In the SC above, when speaking and who have been blind from birth and have thus never seen anyone gesture serve as modifiers.
Here is the core structure of C, with these modifiers omitted:
Research has shown that individuals THAT THEY nonetheless make hand motions.
The words in red serve no purpose.

option A looks the best among the choices,but what is the need of the second comma if it is // to the "that" clause? doesn't the "second comma" violate the conjunction rule,i.e independent clause,conjunc independent clause?

i think construction should be (research has shown that....and that......),but in this question it goes as (research has shown that.......,and that....)

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