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by zaarathelab » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:26 am
If y is an integer and y = |x| + x, is y=0?
(1) x < 0
(2) y < 1

I am getting A as the answer whereas the OA is D

Statement 1

x<0

If x less than 0 the |x| + x = 0 (simple logic). This can be proved algebraically as well.

Hence y = 0. sufficient.

Statement 2

y<1

algebraically

case 1
|x| + x <1
x<1-x
x<1/2 - - - -1
case 2

x >- (1 -x) - - -- not possible. Discard
Hence x<1/2

Now x can take 1/3,1/4 value...in that case y<1 , but not 0, but if x=0 then y = 0.

Hence statement 2 is insufficient

Where am I going wrong?
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by shankar.ashwin » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:38 am
Statement 2:

|x| + x can never be -ve for any value of 'x'

It can take positive values or 'zero'

given 'y' is an integer and < 1. Hence y = 0

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by neelgandham » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:13 am
If y is an integer and y = |x| + x, is y=0? The function y =f(x) = |x| + x can also be defined by
y = 2x, if x > 0 and
y = 0 if x < 0
(1) x < 0
If x < 0, According to the function, y = 0. hence sufficient!
(2) y < 1
From the function definition, We know that 0<y<1.y is an integer between 0 and 1(0 included).So, y = 0 is the only solution. hence sufficient!

Answer D
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by zaarathelab » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:19 am
shankar.ashwin wrote:Statement 2:

|x| + x can never be -ve for any value of 'x'

It can take positive values or 'zero'

given 'y' is an integer and < 1. Hence y = 0
i guess i overlooked the integer bit

Thanks for pointing it out
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by [email protected] » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:40 pm
If y is an integer and y = |x| + x, is y=0?
(1) x < 0
(2) y < 1

This is a yes or no question and statement 1 everybody got as sufficient.

There is a strong contradiction for statement 2 whether it is sufficient or not.

According to me, statement 2 is sufficient but because of a different reason. According to me y can never be equal to zero from statement 2 and that is what I got...

statement 2 says y < 1.

hence can we say that |x| + x < 1, from the equation that we are given...

Now try putting all the values of x.

if x = o then the inequality does not stand. x < 0 is also not possible as it does not stand in the inequality...

According to the prephrase that we received from the question, that y = 0 only if x < 0 or x = 0...

Both the conditions do not meet. statement 2 gives us an inequality and we have to assume that it is true and from that see if our condition is met.

It does not meet and therefore the answer is a confirm no...

actually from y < 1 it is proved that y is not negative not zero but between 0 and 1 only


Hence D....



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by rijul007 » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:50 am
[email protected] wrote:If y is an integer and y = |x| + x, is y=0?
(1) x < 0
(2) y < 1

This is a yes or no question and statement 1 everybody got as sufficient.

There is a strong contradiction for statement 2 whether it is sufficient or not.

According to me, statement 2 is sufficient but because of a different reason. According to me y can never be equal to zero from statement 2 and that is what I got...

statement 2 says y < 1.

hence can we say that |x| + x < 1, from the equation that we are given...

Now try putting all the values of x.

if x = o then the inequality does not stand. x < 0 is also not possible as it does not stand in the inequality...

According to the prephrase that we received from the question, that y = 0 only if x < 0 or x = 0...

Both the conditions do not meet. statement 2 gives us an inequality and we have to assume that it is true and from that see if our condition is met.

It does not meet and therefore the answer is a confirm no...

actually from y < 1 it is proved that y is not negative not zero but between 0 and 1 only


Hence D....



If you see any mistake then please point out my mistake....
Acc to the stem, we infer the following-

If x>0,
y = 2x

If x<= 0,
y = 0

St(1)
x<0
y = 0

Suff


St(2)-
y < 1

For x<=0,
y =0

Lets check other possible values of y
For x= 1/2, y = 1
for x= 1, y=2
for x=3/2 , y = 3

If we make a set of all possible values of y
{0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.....}

Now acc to st(2)
The only value of y less than 1 is 0

Hence, suff

Option D


Amit -
How does x <= 0 not stand in the inequality, x+|x|<1?

For x = 0
0<1

For x= -1
-1+1<0

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by [email protected] » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:46 am
Yes I got my mistake brother Rijul... Thank You very much...

I am convinced that y = 0 satisfies the equation...
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