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by bblast » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:22 pm
4). To be accepted as a member at the Brown Country Club, one must have a net worth of over ten million dollars and must not have any connections to the entertainment industry. Robert Chase, the publishing magnate, has a net worth of 5 billion dollars and chase has not financed any Hollywood movies, so he must be accepted as a member at the Brown Country Club.

The two portions in boldface play which of the following roles?

(A) The first is the part of evidence in support of this argument; the second is the conclusion that could not be drawn from all evidence that the argument contains.

(B) The first is the first-evidence that supports this argument; the second is the mainpoint that must be drawn from all evidence that the argument includes.

(C) The first is the one fact of two that argument includes; the second is the conclusion that could be drawn from this passage.

(D) The first is the background that is necessary for this argument; the second is the conclusion that is not drawn only from the first.

(E) The first is the cause that the argument includes; the second is the effect that can be drawn only from this cause.

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went for E OA is A
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by arora007 » Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:45 am
is the answer choice E ?

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by gmat1011 » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:27 am
I don't think it can be E --- the arg is not about an effect from only 1 cause...

I brought it down to A and D and went for D

D: The first is the background that is necessary for this argument; the second is the conclusion that is not drawn only from the first.

"he must be accepted as a member at the Brown Country Club." is the conclusion... this can not ONLY be drawn from the first bold face as one needs to know the general principle based on which Robert Chase's net worth etc can be said to qualify for membership. That general principles is in the unbolded text.

i can's see see why the first bolded statement is not "background" that is necessary to draw the conclusion. The conclusion obviously cannot be drawn only from the first bolded statement as the first bolded statement needs to work with the unbolded text (that provides the general principle) to arrive at the conclusion

I can't see how A is able to so confidently declare: "the second is the conclusion that could not be drawn from all evidence that the argument contains" ---- we cannot say... The argument may appear poor generally as it assumes that "must not have any connections to the entertainment industry" is satisfied by Chase not having financed any Hollywood movies, i.e., financing of Hollywood movies is the only way to have connections... Fine... but one can't say the assumption is necessarily false without knowing more! A just thinks the assumption cannot ever work... but it may be a valid assumption
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by bblast » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:40 am
arora007 wrote:is the answer choice E ?

what is the source??
i too went for E

oa is A


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by stormier » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:32 am
bblast wrote:4). To be accepted as a member at the Brown Country Club, one must have a net worth of over ten million dollars and must not have any connections to the entertainment industry. Robert Chase, the publishing magnate, has a net worth of 5 billion dollars and chase has not financed any Hollywood movies, so he must be accepted as a member at the Brown Country Club.

The two portions in boldface play which of the following roles?

(A) The first is the part of evidence in support of this argument; the second is the conclusion that could not be drawn from all evidence that the argument contains.

Correct. The author argues for Mr. Chase to be accepted. First is the evidence he provides, which is clear. And the second is the conclusion that cannot be drawn from the facts - the bold face evidence + the premise in the first sentence. Not financing hollywood movies doesn't mean no connections to entertainment industry. He might have been sleeping with Beyonce after all.

(B) The first is the first-evidence that supports this argument; the second is the mainpoint that must be drawn from all evidence that the argument includes.

Incorrect. For the reason stated in explanation of choice A, the fact that Mr. Chase is not connected to entertainment industry cannot be drawn indisputably. Remember, main point must be true based on given information.

(C) The first is the one fact of two that argument includes; the second is the conclusion that could be drawn from this passage.

Incorrect. While first half of the answer choice is correct. The second half is incorrect, for the reason stated in explanation of point B. Its not a "must be true".

(D) The first is the background that is necessary for this argument; the second is the conclusion that is not drawn only from the first.

Incorrect. The first boldfaced sentence is not the background, but rather a fact or evidence in support of the conclusion. The first sentence of the stimulus is the background. This makes first half of the answer choice incorrect.

The second half of the statement is correct. It is true that the conclusion has not been drawn only from the first boldfaced statement, but also from the background information in the first sentence of the stimulus. The conclusion may not be correct, but the second half of answer choice describes correctly the method used to reach the conclusion.

(E) The first is the cause that the argument includes; the second is the effect that can be drawn only from this cause.

Incorrect. The first half is correct. His wealth and questionable disconnect with hollywood could be perceived as a cause for being accepted to the club. The second half however is incorrect. The effect cannot be drawn only from this cause. The effect needs another cause which indisputably disconnects Mr. Rogers from the hollywood.
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by gmat1011 » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:36 am
how to you define "background"? a lot of things can fall in that definition - its so general
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by stormier » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:42 am
gmat1011 wrote:how to you define "background"? a lot of things can fall in that definition - its so general
Background is something that is generally true. In this particular case, the first boldface statement is not a background because it applies specifically to Mr. Rogers and could not have been used for assessing membership eligibility of some other person.

So you defined it fine. Its something very general, but not specific, which is what the first boldface statement is - specific to Mr. Rogers.

Honestly, I figured that out by looking at the usage of the words fact and evidence in the first 3 choices. Hope this helps.
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by pesfunk » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:18 pm
Haha...this looks more to me like a Data Sufficiency problem :D

stormier wrote:
bblast wrote:4). To be accepted as a member at the Brown Country Club, one must have a net worth of over ten million dollars and must not have any connections to the entertainment industry. Robert Chase, the publishing magnate, has a net worth of 5 billion dollars and chase has not financed any Hollywood movies, so he must be accepted as a member at the Brown Country Club.

The two portions in boldface play which of the following roles?

(A) The first is the part of evidence in support of this argument; the second is the conclusion that could not be drawn from all evidence that the argument contains.

Correct. The author argues for Mr. Chase to be accepted. First is the evidence he provides, which is clear. And the second is the conclusion that cannot be drawn from the facts - the bold face evidence + the premise in the first sentence. Not financing hollywood movies doesn't mean no connections to entertainment industry. He might have been sleeping with Beyonce after all.

(B) The first is the first-evidence that supports this argument; the second is the mainpoint that must be drawn from all evidence that the argument includes.

Incorrect. For the reason stated in explanation of choice A, the fact that Mr. Chase is not connected to entertainment industry cannot be drawn indisputably. Remember, main point must be true based on given information.

(C) The first is the one fact of two that argument includes; the second is the conclusion that could be drawn from this passage.

Incorrect. While first half of the answer choice is correct. The second half is incorrect, for the reason stated in explanation of point B. Its not a "must be true".

(D) The first is the background that is necessary for this argument; the second is the conclusion that is not drawn only from the first.

Incorrect. The first boldfaced sentence is not the background, but rather a fact or evidence in support of the conclusion. The first sentence of the stimulus is the background. This makes first half of the answer choice incorrect.

The second half of the statement is correct. It is true that the conclusion has not been drawn only from the first boldfaced statement, but also from the background information in the first sentence of the stimulus. The conclusion may not be correct, but the second half of answer choice describes correctly the method used to reach the conclusion.

(E) The first is the cause that the argument includes; the second is the effect that can be drawn only from this cause.

Incorrect. The first half is correct. His wealth and questionable disconnect with hollywood could be perceived as a cause for being accepted to the club. The second half however is incorrect. The effect cannot be drawn only from this cause. The effect needs another cause which indisputably disconnects Mr. Rogers from the hollywood.
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