Concept of expletive 'IT'

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Concept of expletive 'IT'

by ayushiiitm » Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:27 pm
Can someone elaborate, when usage of expletive 'IT' is considered correct and when it is not.

I searched on Google, but did not find any thing specific to what would would be of help on GMAT.

Some examples using expletive 'it' are

Q Researchers are finding out that plastics are taking more time to deteriorate than they originally seemed.

A) They originally seemed.
B) they seemed originally
C) it seemed that they would originally
D) it originally seemed
E) it originally seemed they would

OA E
What I want to know is when to use expletive IT and when to not use it. (Is there a check). Are there any traps where GMAT could make us choose the expetive IT, when other answer could be correct
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by uwhusky » Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:22 pm
Try googling with "extrapose" and hopefully you might be able to find something. Unfortunately my knowledge on this subject is very limited.

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by nikhilkatira » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:41 pm
ayushiiitm wrote:Can someone elaborate, when usage of expletive 'IT' is considered correct and when it is not.

I searched on Google, but did not find any thing specific to what would would be of help on GMAT.

Some examples using split infinitive are

Q Researchers are finding out that plastics are taking more time to deteriorate than they originally seemed.

A) They originally seemed.
B) they seemed originally
C) it seemed that they would originally
D) it originally seemed
E) it originally seemed they would

OA E
What I want to know is when to use split infinitive and when to not use it. (Is there a check)
I can't answer your question but I want to why option D is wrong
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by Haaress » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:14 am
Q Researchers are finding out that plastics are taking more time to deteriorate than they originally seemed.

A) They originally seemed.
B) they seemed originally
C) it seemed that they would originally
D) it originally seemed
E) it originally seemed they would

The "they" is choice E seems to be ambigous as it can take both antecendants. See the sentences below;

Researchers are finding out that plastics are taking more time to deteriorate than it originally seemed plastics would deteriorate.

Researchers are finding out that plastics are taking more time to deteriorate than it originally seemed researchers would deteriorate the plastics.

That's why I chose D.

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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:24 am
ayushiiitm wrote: What I want to know is when to use expletive IT and when to not use it. (Is there a check). Are there any traps where GMAT could make us choose the expetive IT, when other answer could be correct
EDIT:
Please ignore the SC above and disregard my response below.
The SC above is not viable.

The OA implies the following:
The plastics are taking more time to deteriorate than it originally seemed they would [take to deteriorate].

Here, the words in brackets are omitted, but their presence is implied.
On the GMAT, a verb such as take may be omitted only if it appears in the SAME FORM earlier in the sentence.
In the OA, the implied verb take does NOT appear earlier in the sentence.
Thus, the OA is not viable, and the SC lacks a correct answer.

Another issue:
The referent for it includes the omitted words in brackets.
The GMAT will not employ it to refer to words that are omitted.
On the GMAT, the referent for it will always be explicit and clear.
For a deeper explanation of this issue, check my post here:
https://www.beatthegmat.com/sentence-str ... tml#764472

Please DISREGARD:
An expletive is a word that that doesn't refer to anything but serves a placeholder so that the sentence can express its meaning:

There are many ways to win the race.

In the sentence above, there doesn't really refer to anything. However, the meaning of the sentence is clear.

In general, we should avoid answer choices that use expletives because an expletive makes the sentence longer and wordier. However, length and wordiness are issues of style, not grammar. If each of the other answer choices has a clear error, an answer choice with an expletive will be the best of the five and therefore the correct answer.

In the SC above, E is correct because each of the other answers is unclear or contains an error.

Q Researchers are finding out that plastics are taking more time to deteriorate than they originally seemed.

A) They originally seemed. They originally seemed what? We don't know, so A is out.
B) they seemed originally They seemed originally what? We don't know, so B is out. Also, originally should be placed before seemed, the verb that it's modifying.
C) it seemed that they would originally The modifier originally needs to be placed before seemed, the verb that it's modifying.
D) it originally seemed It originally seemed what? We don't know, so D is out.
E) it originally seemed they would Ah! The inclusion of the words they would makes the meaning clear: the plastics are taking more time to deteriorate than it originally seemed they would take to deteriorate.

Since E has no clear error and expresses the meaning the most clearly, E is the best answer choice.

The correct answer is E.

But just to be clear:

Avoid answer choices that contain expletives. Choose an answer choice with an expletive only when each of the other answer choices has a clear error.
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by uwhusky » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:02 am
GMATGuruNY wrote: But just to be clear:

Avoid answer choices that contain expletives. Choose an answer choice with an expletive only when each of the other answer choices has a clear error.
That's very good to know. So in the case of expletive, which is a stylistic approach, it is far down the list used to eliminate answers?

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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:08 am
uwhusky wrote:
GMATGuruNY wrote: But just to be clear:

Avoid answer choices that contain expletives. Choose an answer choice with an expletive only when each of the other answer choices has a clear error.
That's very good to know. So in the case of expletive, which is a stylistic approach, it is far down the list used to eliminate answers?
Yes, when we're looking for reasons to eliminate answers, our concerns -- in order of importance -- are grammar, meaning and style. The use of an expletive is primarily an issue of style.
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by paes » Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:11 am
Guru,

One confusion with E:

... than it originally seemed they would take to deteriorate.

here 'take to deteriorate' is assumed to complete the sentence. But actually this phrase is not coming in the first part of the sentence. So how can we assume it ?

And if yes, then we can assume something for A also to make it correct
e.g.
....They originally seemed <to take>.

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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:25 am
paes wrote:Guru,

One confusion with E:

... than it originally seemed they would take to deteriorate.

here 'take to deteriorate' is assumed to complete the sentence. But actually this phrase is not coming in the first part of the sentence. So how can we assume it ?

And if yes, then we can assume something for A also to make it correct
e.g.
....They originally seemed <to take>.
Yes, we could complete A as you suggest, but then the tense of to take would convey the wrong meaning because the deteriorating happened after they seemed. We need the word would, as in E.
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by adi_800 » Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:59 am
Answer is E..
There is only one best possible explanation to this problem...
N that's 800 BOB file...

I don't know why explanations of 800 bob are not much hyped on BTG... He was too good on Testmagic...
May be he does not post on BTG...

Anyone who wants to know why 'it' is perfectly correct and why to use would to predict future when you are in the past moment...
please refer to 800 bob sc file...

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by gmat1011 » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:32 am
Shouldn't E be worded: than it originally seemed they would TAKE.

without the word take at the end - the sentence sounds a bit awkward? in fact D is how I think most people would say it!

Shouldn't E contain "take" to be correct?

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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:42 am
gmat1011 wrote:Shouldn't E be worded: than it originally seemed they would TAKE.

without the word take at the end - the sentence sounds a bit awkward? in fact D is how I think most people would say it!

Shouldn't E contain "take" to be correct?
The word take is not needed, so it should not be included.

Mary is running more quickly than I thought she would.

The sentence above is correct as written. The verb run is implied: Mary is running more quickly that I thought she would run.
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by shweta.kalra » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:31 am
[Yes, we could complete A as you suggest, but then the tense of to take would convey the wrong meaning because the deteriorating happened after they seemed. We need the word would, as in E.[/quoHI MITCH I DIDNT quo HI MITCH I DIDNT GET THIS
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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:03 pm
shweta.kalra wrote:[Yes, we could complete A as you suggest, but then the tense of to take would convey the wrong meaning because the deteriorating happened after they seemed. We need the word would, as in E.[/quoHI MITCH I DIDNT quo HI MITCH I DIDNT GET THIS
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If we complete answer choice A as has been suggested, we get:

Researchers are finding out that plastics are taking more time to deteriorate than they originally seemed to take to deteriorate.

The sentence above says that plastics are taking more time to deteriorate now -- in the present -- than they originally seemed to take to deteriorate-- in the past. The comparison between the present and the past makes no sense. The intended meaning of the sentence is that the plastics are taking more time to deteriorate now -- in the present -- than the researchers predicted they WOULD take to deteriorate (also now, in the present).

Does this help?
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