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GMAT RE-TAKE DEBRIEF (750)

by gmat.done » Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:32 am
I've been a silent reader for quite some time and have gained a lot from this website. I'm hoping to share my own strategy in the off-chance that it may help someone else conquer this beast. As noted in the subject, this was actually my second time taking the test, but more on that later. Reader beware, this post is incredibly long (trying to purge myself of this experience).

Initial Prep Before First Test (November 2009 to June 2010):
I knew from past experience (mostly lack of confidence with standardized tests) that prepping for the GMAT would take a very, very long time. Three of my colleagues who had taken the test had scored 740, 760, and 770. I think this became a motivating factor for me to do well.

I saw that there was a test prep center fairly close to my office and decided to sign-up for a 9-week course without doing much research. I anticipated that I would have to put in significant time after the course to self-study. The class was through Manhattan GMAT. The class and instructor were fantastic (highly recommended), particularly for building the basics. It was a ton of work and a lot of money, but fully worth it in retrospect (it's always easier to justify it in retrospect). I scheduled my actual test for June, mostly because I had a business trip thrown at me last minute that would last for about 6-weeks, starting right at the end of the 9-week course. Unfortunate timing, but it's life.

For Prep materials, I only used the MGMAT guides (all of them) and the 3 OG guides (Q, V and OG12). Save for online forums, I didn't use any other study materials. I found the math guides and SC guide to be invaluable, but didn't use the RC and CR guides at all. As many others have echoed, it's not the quantity of material, but how in-depth you study them. More on this philosophy later.

My first two MGMAT CAT diagnostics were in November and January:
630 (Q42 V34)
690 (Q45 V38)

I felt pretty good when the classes ended and knew that with some additional self-studying, I could boost my score up further. Unfortunately, however, when my business trip started, I stopped studying entirely. I actually threw away my copy of OG12 because I didn't want to lug it around anymore (it's freakin' heavy!). When I got back, I had about 10 weeks to hit the books. I focused strictly on the OG during this time, working through problems at a torrid pace. I kept an error log of all problems. It was during this time that I discovered that I was actually much better at Verbal (getting about 95% of the OG questions correct, and only SC wrong to boot) and not as good at Quant (about 75% correct). I thought this was strange for a math major, but as you all know, the GMAT doesn't test pure math. I didn't do a lot of the MGMAT OG homework assignments because I was saving the questions for this study period.

I took another MGMAT CAT in May:
710 (Q45 V41)

It was after this test that I made 2 critical mistakes for my final study period, which I believe resonated in my first test score.

Critical Mistake #1: I really liked getting questions correct, so I continued to put a significant amount of study time into RC and CR (even though I had literally gotten 2 CR and RC questions wrong to date). I should have simply maintained my level and spent time on the most problematic areas. No one likes to work on what they suck at, but it's a part of doing better.

Critical Mistake #2: I kept on tearing through questions at the same pace and rarely reviewed questions that I got right and spent very little time on questions I got wrong. Reviewing questions you get right, especially if there is a better way to solve the question, was a huge breakthrough, but something I didn't realize until after the first test.

About three weeks before my first test date, I took GMAT Prep #1 under test conditions:
740 (Q49 V41)

I was incredibly happy with my score, but I saw quite a few familiar questions on both sections so had no clue what the score actually meant.

I kept on studying and the week before my first test date, took GMAT Prep #2, again under test conditions:
760 (Q50 V41)

I saw very few familiar questions this time around, but also got lucky on 3 or 4 guesses in the Quant section. Regardless, I was very happy with my progress to date...or so I thought

Last Week Before First Test (June 2010):
I had read about some other success stories on this forum and their "week of" mindset, so for the week leading up to the test, I decided to "put myself in position for success." My test was at 8AM, so I practiced questions at that time every day. I even changed other habits like drinking less coffee and getting more than 6 hours of sleep. The day before the test, I took the day off, did no work and just relaxed. I was pretty confident about my chances to achieve a high score. Again, in retrospect, this is where I made critical mistake #3

Critical Mistake #3: I completely changed my habits around in order to set myself up for success. I typically never sleep more than 8 hours and consume tons of caffeine. In college, I was always sleep deprived and studying up until the last minute...and it worked really, really well...for me. I think you need to do what's worked for you in the past, rather than what's worked for someone else. I've never had an issue with test stamina or focus, so more sleep probably wasn't a solution to anything. Taking that day off of work to "relax" really upped my anxiety level and I had difficulty thinking about anything else besides the test.

Day of First Test (June 2010):
Honestly, I wish I could provide a better de-brief, but I don't remember the details. I was extremely nervous (horrible test anxiety) and my heart was racing pretty much the entire time. I remember the Quant section feeling a bit unfamiliar and I got a lot of question types that I had seen in practice, but didn't spend much time on. Even so, I thought it went ok and finished with a minute or two to spare. I also skipped questions as recommended. Verbal was fine, as always. (as an aside, if you're at all worried about the actual testing procedures, there is a great video on youtube that shows you how everything is done and what the test center looks like - search for "gmat test center")

First Test Score: 710 (Q45 V42)

Mixed emotions. I was extremely happy with my verbal score, but as a math major (albeit many years back), Q45 was unacceptable. After an agonizing internal de-brief, I decided to become one of the crazy few to re-take a 700+. My test had revealed critical mistake #4, which I was determined to rectify on the next exam.

Critical Mistake #4: During the test, I was TOO time focused. I wanted two minutes for every remaining question and failed to consider that some questions may take 25 seconds, whereas others may take 180 seconds. Because of this, I didn't try hard enough on quite a few of the quant sections and simply skipped when I thought I had given them a decent effort.

Prep Before Second Test (July 2010 to August 2010):
I took a full 5 weeks off from studying (3 of them spent on vacation, 2 of them spent regaining some semblance of normalcy in my life) and left myself with 4 weeks before my second test date. I was only going to focus on Quant and SC and focus heavily on the areas that were shaky (absolute value and inequalities). I suck at probability-combinatorics and also decided that on the real test I would spend 10 seconds to review and if remotely complicated, guess and move on. I studied the crap (no other elegant way to say this) out of the MGMAT Quant books (especially the advanced sections). I created about 200 flashcards covering all of Quant and SC and carried decks with me everywhere I went. Each flashcard was an "If" statement. This helped me focus on things to notice in problems and the properties to recall when those things appeared on the test. I believe this was hugely helpful (I'm more of a memorization kind of studier).

For the final two weeks, I did a Quant section of a MGMAT CAT test every other day. I know people have their opinions of non-GMAT Prep diagnostics, but I feel that the difficulty level of the MGMAT CAT Quant prepared me supremely well to succeed on the real thing. I found that it tested similar properties, but was much more complex, clever, and difficult. I also did about 100 of the Challenge Problems (all un-timed). Aside from re-taking GMAT Prep #1 and #2 again, I did no other OG questions during this time and instead spent most of my time reviewing the MGMAT CAT Quant (particularly the explanations), looking over SC flashcards and reading BTG forum posts to GMAT Prep questions.

I scored a 760 on both GMAT Prep re-takes, with Q50's and very few repeated difficult questions and felt as if I was ready again.

Week Before Second Test (August 2010):
Because of work, I got no more than 5 hours of sleep any night and drank 3-4 cups of coffee a day. I thought I was doomed. I didn't change up my study routine at all (MGMAT CAT Quant + SC flashcards) and actually worked up until 8PM the Friday before my test. In some strange way, this was beneficial. I had too much work to be freaked out about the test itself. I also scheduled my test for 12 noon. As an afternoon-evening person, my brain is more on point later in the day and I felt that I would be more "awake."

Day of Second Test (August 2010):
Completely calm aside from a massive "lack of caffeine" headache. Drank a ton of coffee before the test to get the juices flowing. The quant section seemed too easy and I worked completely through almost every question, except for the last two, which were educated guesses because I ran out of time. Somewhere around two-thirds through the test, I got two questions that I swear a semi-competent 3rd grader could answer correctly. So don't try and evaluate the difficulty of the questions, it's a moot task. I was feeling pretty good so I only took a 2 minute stretch break before diving back in. The verbal section was a different story. The SC were all straightforward, but the RC and CR had some question types that were completely strange and foreign, unlike anything I had seen in prep material. I thought I had aced the quant and botched the verbal. Fortunately, as usual, I was completely wrong:

750 (Q49 V45)

Very, very happy to be done with this part of my life. BTG was a huge help and if there's anything I can do to help, let me know! Good luck to you all, I sympathize with how big of a pain in the ass this test can be!
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by von » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:19 pm
Nice debrief.

I think I share critical mistake #1 as well. When I'm going through my practice sets and then reviewing the results, I often feel an emotional high every time I get a question right (especially those that I think are difficult). As a result, I find myself reviewing and re-reviewing the questions I've correctly answer thinking that the positive momentum I've gained from answering hard questions will somehow seep into the rest of the test.

But I'm learning that it's a huge mistake to focus on my strengths in this way because the areas where I need the most help get neglected and then I have a false sense of confidence that I'm doing well because of the questions I got right. I think it's analagous to a dentist who focuses her attention on her patient's healthy teeth while ignoring all the rotten molars in the back. If she doesn't treat those rotten teeth then what's the point of the pearly whites in front? The patient is going to be in a lot of trouble soon. And that's how I feel. If I don't focus on the "rotten" or weak parts of my understanding then my correct answers really aren't that meaningful.

The bottom line is I that I can't get better if I don't focus on my weaknesses. Yes it's humbling but I'm realizing that I have to be honest with myself, swallow my pride, and really dive into those weak points to come out strong.

Thanks for your encouragement.

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by DanaJ » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:36 pm
Congrats gmat.done! It's nice to see that you did not give up on your dream. A 750 is an awesome score, you don't need to worry about that anymore.

Anyway, I see you mention that you took an MGMAT course. If you'd like, you can post a review of your course by going to reviews.beattegmat.com.

Good luck with the applications!

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by uwhusky » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:08 pm
Congratulation on the great score! You have mentioned that you studied the crap out of the advance section of MGMAT quant, do you find those materials essential to your success of scoring 49?

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by gmat.done » Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:43 pm
Thanks everyone! uwhusky: I thought that the MGMAT books (with the exception of probability-combinatorics in the Word Translation book) were very helpful. However, it was only after the first test that I discovered many of "higher-level" teachings were actually in the "advanced" part of the books (a lot of the more complicated inequality and absolute value strategies, in particular). All of my flashcards were rules taken from their books and nothing I encountered on the real test came as a surprise. Part of it, to be honest, is the luck of the draw and the questions you get. I guess that's why it's good to take the test more than once if you're not happy with the first go around.

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by uwhusky » Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:23 pm
I thought that the MGMAT books (with the exception of probability-combinatorics in the Word Translation book) were very helpful.
Is this because you did not see any probability-combinatorics questions? I was able to finish all the advance section of the MGMAT books, except the Word Problems book. I didn't think it was necessary for me to invest such effort into understanding the complicated concept, would you agree with my thoughts on this?

Thank you for your insight.

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by skins81 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:34 pm
Hi, can you talk more about the MGMAT course and why it was worth it.

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by gmat.done » Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:28 pm
uwhusky:I just found the P-C section somewhat confusing for me and my time better spent on more common problem types. I've taken statistics classes before and knew that I would be able to tackle "one-step" problems without too much trouble. I can't even remember if I saw P-C questions on either of my tests. If I did, they definitely weren't memorable. I guess this is just luck of the draw, your test may be completely different.

skins81: I was fortunate to have Ron from MGMAT as my instructor. He taught the class what I believe was one of the best pieces of advice for the test: the "If...., then..." approach to studying. With so much material and so many permutations of questions, the key really is to be able to notice key items in a question and be able to recall ways of solving from your memory. For example, if you see "prime," then remember "1 is not a prime. 2 is the only even prime. Primes greater than 5 end in 1, 3, 7, 9. Primes only have two factors, etc." All the complicated questions are still built up from a very simple base.

I also lack structure when it comes to starting to study, so taking an organized class really got me started at least. Once I've started, I can keep going, but that initial push can take some effort. That said, since classes need to cater to all types of test-takers, high scorers and low scorers, I believe the class itself will only get you so far and the rest is up to self-study. I would say that a class might be worthwhile if you're working on the basics, however if you're already scoring relatively high, it's more about applying concepts and reviewing explanations.

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by missrochelle » Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:57 pm
this is a really great debrief... question - you said you only did 100 MGMAT challenge problem questions - how did you decide which to focus on?
(there are 25 per topic , so which topics did you choose?)

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by skins81 » Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:32 pm
so after the MGMAT class would a person be ready to take the test or would he/she need to study a lot more after the class?

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by ssp » Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:45 pm
Skins81 -- I have not yet taken the exam, but in my humble opinion, I would not take the exam right after finishing the 9 week course.

There are several things to consider in order to make this decision:

1 - How much studying will I do on a weekly basis during the 9 week course? Will I be able to complete the homework each week and retain the information?
2 - What is my baseline score and what is my desired score?
3 - What are my weaknesses and will I be able to address those weaknesses adequately during the 9 week period?

I just finished the Manhattan GMAT 9 week course two weeks ago and will be taking my exam on the 26th. In the meantime, I have been studying full time. For me, this 3 week period has been a huge help because I was not able to keep up with the homework during the course. Hope this helps you make your decision!

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by skins81 » Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:47 pm
thanks ssp. do you think the MGMAT course is worth taking? does it sufficiently prepare you for the test?

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by ssp » Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:14 pm
Skins 81 -- I absolutely recommend taking the MGMAT course especially a live class. If you are not in a major urban area where live courses are offered, I have also heard good things about Veritas Prep. Personally, I think the MGMAT resources are the best on the market. Each class, you learn from OG example problems, and the content is very well organized and presented. With the course, you are given a variety of tools needed to prepare successfully for the exam.

The following resources from Manhattan GMAT have been very helpful in my preparation for the test:

1 - Online Labs - All the important test strategies are distilled into 60-80 minute online labs using real OG problems. I have found the data sufficiency labs (Yes/No, Rephrasing, and Strategic Speed Guessing) to be the most valuable.
2 - Foundations of Math Book - a great summary of all the basic math skills discussed in more detail in the strategy guides. I started here first before reading the individual guides.
3 - The OG Companion Guide - I think that several other test prep companies also have a similar guide. Regardless, when studying from the OG, I would have either the MGMAT companion guide or another version by my side. The answers in the OG are just not detailed enough. Additionally, the answers do not teach how to use other methods to arrive at the same answer. For example, many questions can be solved algebraically or can be solved with back up methods such as estimation, back solving, or picking your own numbers. These back up methods are very valuable, and I wish Manhattan GMAT highlighted these methods more consistently during the 9 week session. Either way, if you don't learn it in class, you learn it through the online labs and through the companion guide.
4 - Office hours - A lot of people don't use this resource, but it has been invaluable to me. I signed up for office hours every week. You are allotted 30 minutes of private tutoring a week with a Manhattan GMAT instructor. They call you at your requested time and use Elluminate (an online virtual chatroom) to answer your questions.
5 - Manhattan GMAT CAT tests - I think that these tests are highly effective in preparing for the exam. They are slightly harder than the real exam so preparing with these tests will only make test day questions feel easier! (I know this because this is the second time I will be taking the test)

You also get the OG 12, OG Verbal Review, and OG Quantitative review when you take the class. You must practice with these resources! Everyone says it, and it's true. There is nothing better than practicing with real test questions.

I have not solely relied on Manhattan GMAT resources though. I have also purchased the Powerscore Critical Reasoning and Sentence Correction Bible. FYI - Don't buy it on amazon. Buy it through Powerscore, it's cheaper!

One last thought -- I think that the Manhattan GMAT course is not enough to score above a 700. It is definitely enough to score above a 600, but that extra push requires extreme commitment and self-motivation. You need the extra time to go over your personal weaknesses which a class cannot do. Hope this helps and good luck!

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by gmat.done » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:23 pm
missrochelle: I think you're describing the MGMAT online problem sets - I didn't use any of those. There is a list of "Challenge Problems" which are grouped by date, but not by topic, right near the problem sets. They're really quite challenging and I did them untimed because I can't imagine being able to solve a lot of them in under two minutes. I used them more to test concepts and recall rather than timing. In my opinion, the actual test was a bit more straightforward.

skins81: I agree 100% with ssp. I think very few people would be ready to test at the end of the 9 week MGMAT course. And I also agree that it'll be able to get you into the 600's, but that higher scores will involve significant additional study time. The class moves really fast and even the instructor told us students that we would need time afterwards to self-study (at least a couple of weeks).

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by ashish2104 » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:36 am
First of all congratulations on such a fabulous score.

Just one question, when u mentioned SC were straightforward, did you mean they were similar to OG questions? I am refering to the way questions were structured. I am particlarly facing issues with SC and have my test on 30th Aug....hence i am a little apprehensive.

Thanks, in advance,