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by BastiG » Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:54 am
However much parents in Johannson's district may agree that the instruction of moral values should take place in the elementary school classroom, it is difficult for them to arrive at consensus concerning what those values are and how they should be taught.

(A) However much parents in Johannson's district may agree that
(B) Despite the fact that parents in Johannson's district may agree that
(C) There is general agreement among the parents in Johannson's district that
(D) Although the parents in Johannson's district agree for
(E) Even though the parents in Johannson's district agree

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by beatthegmatinsept » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:01 am
However much parents in Johannson's district may agree that[/u] the instruction of moral values should take place in the elementary school classroom, it is difficult for them to arrive at consensus concerning what those values are and how they should be taught.

(A) However much parents in Johannson's district may agree that looks pain awkard.. 'however' doesnt quite show the contrast here
(B) Despite the fact that parents in Johannson's district may agree that 'Despite the fact' shows contrast. My pick.
(C) There is general agreement among the parents in Johannson's district that Can't find much wrong in here, except that it doesn't quite show a contrast(D) Although the parents in Johannson's district agree for 'agree for' is incorrect usage.
(E) Even though the parents in Johannson's district agree 'that' is missing after agree.
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by Gurpinder » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:02 am
I would say (A).


(A) However much parents in Johannson's district may agree that
---> seems right
(B) Despite the fact that parents in Johannson's district may agree that
---> despite....is usualy redundant.
(C) There is general agreement among the parents in Johannson's district that
---> changing the meaning
(D) Although the parents in Johannson's district agree for
---> missing "that" in the end
(E) Even though the parents in Johannson's district agree
---> missing "that" in the end
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by apex231 » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:04 am
(A) However much parents in Johannson's district may agree that
(B) Despite the fact that parents in Johannson's district may agree that
(C) There is general agreement among the parents in Johannson's district that - this doesn't show contrast.
(D) Although the parents in Johannson's district agree for
(E) Even though the parents in Johannson's district agree - sounds incomplete

A wins.

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by uwhusky » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:09 am
POE eliminates down to two choices, A and B.

Difference between A and B comes down to:

A: However much
B: Despite the fact that

I agreed with apex231's approach, B is a fragment with its usage of relative clause, thus A is the only correct answer.
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by hi.itz.mani » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:09 am
BastiG wrote:However much parents in Johannson's district may agree that the instruction of moral values should take place in the elementary school classroom, it is difficult for them to arrive at consensus concerning what those values are and how they should be taught.

(A) However much parents in Johannson's district may agree that this is correct .. here much is for agree and not for parents
(B) Despite the fact that parents in Johannson's district may agree that My reasoning might not be correct here , but I found 1. this option a bit wordy 2. fact and may doesn't seem to go together
(C) There is general agreement among the parents in Johannson's district that meaning changed, it was much + may for agreement
(D) Although the parents in Johannson's district agree for meaning changed, it was much + may for agreement
(E) Even though the parents in Johannson's district agree meaning changed, it was much + may for agreement

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by debmalya_dutta » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:09 am
my pick is A
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by BastiG » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:10 am
A is indeed the right answer choice. How do you explain much parents? Parents are countable.

I can think of two explanations but I don't know the correct one.

1.
"however much" has an idiom meaning

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much functions as an adverb which modifies agree (to which extent)
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by uwhusky » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:17 am
"Much" describing whatever agreements the parents have.
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by BastiG » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:18 am
However much parents in Johannson's district may agree that the instruction of moral values should take place in the elementary school classroom, it is difficult for them to arrive at consensus concerning what those values are and how they should be taught.

(A) However much parents in Johannson's district may agree that --> correct
(B) Despite the fact that parents in Johannson's district may agree that --> fact and may are kind of in contradiction (it can be a fact that they agree, but if we don't know whether they agree, then there's no fact to discuss
(C) There is general agreement among the parents in Johannson's district that --> doesn't agree with the rest of the sentence / different meaning not may agree / passive
(D) Although the parents in Johannson's district agree for --> agree for = wrong usage / different meaning (may agree)
(E) Even though the parents in Johannson's district agree --> that is necessary in order for the sentence to make sense / different meaning (may agree)
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by uwhusky » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:20 am
I believe the biggest error for B, beyond its meaning, is that it is a fragment clause lacking main verb.
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by BastiG » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:32 am
well I don't see a fragment. Can you explain what you mean?
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by uwhusky » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:38 am
Despite the fact that parents in Johannson's district may agree that the instruction of moral values should take place in the elementary school classroom

"...that parents in Johannson's district..." is a relative clause modifying fact as an adjective, and everything comes after "...may agree that..." is another relative clause used as predicate noun clause after the verb "may agree".

So what you see is a relative clause with another relative clause embedded in it, and the main clause could be deduced down to:

Despite the fact, it is difficult for them to arrive at consensus concerning what those values are and how they should be taught.
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by ankurmit » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:37 am
In A how can we say that "much" refers to values and not to parents.

B seems a better option to me.
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by uwhusky » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:11 am
OA is A.
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