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100 points for $49 worth of Veritas practice GMATs FREE VERITAS PRACTICE GMAT EXAMS Earn 10 Points Per Post Earn 10 Points Per Thanks Earn 10 Points Per Upvote According to a 1996 survey by the National Association... This topic has expert replies Junior | Next Rank: 30 Posts Posts: 29 Joined: 20 Nov 2013 Thanked: 1 times According to a 1996 survey by the National Association... by Zach.J.Dragone » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:22 am According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under$8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000. A) than those that charge B) than are charging C) than to charge D) as charge E) as those charging E Why E as opposed to A? GMAT/MBA Expert Master | Next Rank: 500 Posts Posts: 166 Joined: 12 Dec 2013 Location: Berkeley, Ca Thanked: 30 times Followed by:21 members by KevinRocci » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:10 am Howdy! I think that I can help. According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under$8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000. I can see the confusion. We are comparing two things, so why not use "than." But this is a bit tricky. We need to notice that before the underlined portion of the sentence, we already have a comparison idiom-"as many..." With that coming before the underlined portion of the sentence, we need to finish the idiom by using "as." The idiom is always going to be "as many ... as ..." So always be on the look out for idioms that you need to complete with the underlined portion of the sentence, especially when dealing with comparisons. I hope this helps a little. GMAT Instructor Posts: 15519 Joined: 25 May 2010 Location: New York, NY Thanked: 13060 times Followed by:1894 members GMAT Score:790 by GMATGuruNY » Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:11 pm Zach.J.Dragone wrote:According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under$8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000. A) than those that charge B) than are charging C) than to charge D) as charge E) as those charging The OA is not E but D. For an explanation, please check my 2 posts here: https://www.beatthegmat.com/fee-t270101.html Mitch Hunt Private Tutor for the GMAT and GRE GMATGuruNY@gmail.com If you find one of my posts helpful, please take a moment to click on the "UPVOTE" icon. Available for tutoring in NYC and long-distance. For more information, please email me at GMATGuruNY@gmail.com. Student Review #1 Student Review #2 Student Review #3 Junior | Next Rank: 30 Posts Posts: 29 Joined: 20 Nov 2013 Thanked: 1 times by Zach.J.Dragone » Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:00 pm GMATGuruNY wrote: Zach.J.Dragone wrote:According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under$8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000. A) than those that charge B) than are charging C) than to charge D) as charge E) as those charging The OA is not E but D. For an explanation, please check my 2 posts here: https://www.beatthegmat.com/fee-t270101.html Thanks for the explanation, Mitch. In the link you sent me, you said that "charging" was an adjective but it reads like a verb to me. After all, isn't "charging" an action? Also, it seems as though there are many of these kinds of "traps" in the GMAT. I have spent a good amount of time going over my grammar rules but have been unable to get a grasp on issues like these. Vague pronoun references, too, are difficult for me to understand. Is there a guide or some kind of tutorial on how to better understand them? GMAT Instructor Posts: 15519 Joined: 25 May 2010 Location: New York, NY Thanked: 13060 times Followed by:1894 members GMAT Score:790 by GMATGuruNY » Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:23 am Zach.J.Dragone wrote: GMATGuruNY wrote: Zach.J.Dragone wrote:According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under$8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000. A) than those that charge B) than are charging C) than to charge D) as charge E) as those charging Thanks for the explanation, Mitch. In the link you sent me, you said that "charging" was an adjective but it reads like a verb to me. After all, isn't "charging" an action? A PRESENT PARTICIPLE is a verb form that ends in -ing: running, speaking, charging, etc. It is common for a present participle to serve as an ADJECTIVE. The boy RUNNING down the street looks happy. Here, RUNNING serves as an adjective describing the boy. What KIND of boy? The boy RUNNING down the street. In E, those refers to institutions, implying the following: institutions CHARGING over$16,000.
Here, charging serves as an adjective describing institutions.
What KIND of institutions?
Institutions CHARGING over $16,000. Mitch Hunt Private Tutor for the GMAT and GRE GMATGuruNY@gmail.com If you find one of my posts helpful, please take a moment to click on the "UPVOTE" icon. Available for tutoring in NYC and long-distance. For more information, please email me at GMATGuruNY@gmail.com. Student Review #1 Student Review #2 Student Review #3 Junior | Next Rank: 30 Posts Posts: 29 Joined: 20 Nov 2013 Thanked: 1 times by Zach.J.Dragone » Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:17 pm GMATGuruNY wrote: Zach.J.Dragone wrote: GMATGuruNY wrote: Zach.J.Dragone wrote:According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under$8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000. A) than those that charge B) than are charging C) than to charge D) as charge E) as those charging Thanks for the explanation, Mitch. In the link you sent me, you said that "charging" was an adjective but it reads like a verb to me. After all, isn't "charging" an action? A PRESENT PARTICIPLE is a verb form that ends in -ing: running, speaking, charging, etc. It is common for a present participle to serve as an ADJECTIVE. The boy RUNNING down the street looks happy. Here, RUNNING serves as an adjective describing the boy. What KIND of boy? The boy RUNNING down the street. In E, those refers to institutions, implying the following: institutions CHARGING over$16,000.
Here, charging serves as an adjective describing institutions.
What KIND of institutions?
Institutions CHARGING over $16,000. Isn't "those" ambiguous wording? In other words, couldn't "those" be referring to either organization. The only reason why I think this may not be the case is that there are only two possibilities here and we know one isn't what "those" refers to because it is a comparison... Legendary Member Posts: 698 Joined: 21 Jul 2015 Location: Noida, India Thanked: 32 times Followed by:26 members GMAT Score:740 by richachampion » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:50 pm GMATGuruNY wrote: The OA is not E but D. For an explanation, please check my 2 posts here: https://www.beatthegmat.com/fee-t270101.html I checked the above mentioned link.I think that the questions options given there are quiet different. R I C H A, My GMAT Journey: 470 â†’ 720 â†’ 740 Target Score: 760+ richacrunch2@gmail.com 1. Press thanks if you like my solution. 2. Contact me if you are not improving. (No Free Lunch!) GMAT Instructor Posts: 15519 Joined: 25 May 2010 Location: New York, NY Thanked: 13060 times Followed by:1894 members GMAT Score:790 by GMATGuruNY » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:43 am richachampion wrote: GMATGuruNY wrote: The OA is not E but D. For an explanation, please check my 2 posts here: https://www.beatthegmat.com/fee-t270101.html I checked the above mentioned link.I think that the questions options given there are quiet different. Answer choices D and E are the same in each case. Here, A, B and C can be eliminated because the usage of than is unidiomatic: A, B and C: as many...than Correct: as many AS. Mitch Hunt Private Tutor for the GMAT and GRE GMATGuruNY@gmail.com If you find one of my posts helpful, please take a moment to click on the "UPVOTE" icon. Available for tutoring in NYC and long-distance. For more information, please email me at GMATGuruNY@gmail.com. Student Review #1 Student Review #2 Student Review #3 Senior | Next Rank: 100 Posts Posts: 79 Joined: 02 Oct 2016 Thanked: 1 times by TheGraduate » Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:01 pm According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under$8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000. A) than those that charge B) than are charging C) than to charge D) as charge E) as those charging How about "as those that charge" ? It's not there among the official options but I'm just curious. According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under$8,000 a year as those that charge over $16,000. Is the above acceptable? Experts please comment. GMAT Instructor Posts: 15519 Joined: 25 May 2010 Location: New York, NY Thanked: 13060 times Followed by:1894 members GMAT Score:790 by GMATGuruNY » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:10 am TheGraduate wrote: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under$8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000. A) than those that charge B) than are charging C) than to charge D) as charge E) as those charging How about "as those that charge" ? It's not there among the official options but I'm just curious. According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under$8,000 a year as those that charge over $16,000. Is the above acceptable? Incorrect: As many institutions charge under$8,000 as those that charge over $16,000. Here, the portion in red is a MODIFIER and thus cannot serve as the main verb in the second clause. Since the second clause lacks a main verb, the main verb from the first clause (in blue) is implied as the main verb in the second clause: As many institutions charge under$8,000 as those that charge over $16,000 [charge]. The result is an error of redundancy: those that CHARGE over$16,000 CHARGE.
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by TheGraduate » Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:36 am
The correct version would read as follows:

According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year as charge over$16,000.

My question is , is there is an elliptical construction involved? If so, could anybody expand the sentence fully and analyze it.

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by GMATGuruNY » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:52 am

According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year as charge over$16,000.

My question is , is there is an elliptical construction involved? If so, could anybody expand the sentence fully and analyze it.

Thanks.
The OA conveys the following comparison:
More than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year as [independent institutions of higher education] charge [tuition and fees of] over$16,000 [a year].
The bracketed words appear in the first clause and are thus implied in the second clause.
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by TheGraduate » Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:23 pm
GMATGuruNY wrote:

According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year as charge over$16,000.

My question is , is there is an elliptical construction involved? If so, could anybody expand the sentence fully and analyze it.

Thanks.
The OA conveys the following comparison:
More than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year as [independent institutions of higher education] charge [tuition and fees of] over$16,000 [a year].
The bracketed words appear in the first clause and are thus implied in the second clause.

So, is it okay to write it the following way?
More than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year as those charge over$16,000.
i.e. by replacing the second instance of "independent institutions of higher education" with "those".

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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:35 am
TheGraduate wrote:So, is it okay to write it the following way?
More than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year as those charge over$16,000.
i.e. by replacing the second instance of "independent institutions of higher education" with "those".
The revision above is not viable.

When those serves as the subject of the second clause in a comparison, it must be followed by a MODIFIER -- one whose purpose is to REPLACE A MODIFIER attached to the subject of the first clause.
The girls in this year's class are taller than those in last year's class.
Here, the red modifier after those (in last year's class) serves to replace the blue modifier attached to the subject of the first clause (in this year's class).

OA: More than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year as charge over$16,000.
Here, the modifier in blue applies to BOTH CLAUSES.
Since this modifier does NOT need to be replaced in the second clause by a new modifier, the use of those in the second clause is unwarranted.
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by TheGraduate » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:06 pm
Sorry to be asking these many questions. The sentence sounds totally off to me.
I'm sort of trying to make sure I don't go wrong on this type of question again.
Could we write it as:
More than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year as that charge over$16,000.
"that" being parallel to "independent institutions of higher education" ?
In that case would the the two italicized parts be parallel to each other ?