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nycknicks11: Senior | Next Rank: 100 Posts; Posts: 56; Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:07 amFollowed by: 1 member; Thanked: 5 times

by nycknicks11 » Sun May 29, 2011 5:03 am

Just a quick question here about SVA. I made these up. What is correct in each case? I know that "and" turns things plural but I've seen many cases in GMAT where this can be tricky. Can an expert please elaborate.

1) The way Scott and John run is/are funny
2) The way Scott runs and the way John runs is/are funny

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by vineeshp » Sun May 29, 2011 5:06 am

I do not call myself an expert, so I am not sure if it is ok to reply.

1) The way Scott and John run is/are funny - IS. The way is the subject. Grammatically, The way scott and John runs IS funny. The way is singular and verb should be singular.

2) The way Scott runs and the way John runs is/are funny - ARE. 2 ways are combined using And. So this one must use the plural form.

Clear? Or did I push you further into darkness?

Vineesh,
Just telling you what I know and think. I am not the expert.

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by sameerballani » Sun May 29, 2011 5:55 am

nycknicks11 wrote:Just a quick question here about SVA. I made these up. What is correct in each case? I know that "and" turns things plural but I've seen many cases in GMAT where this can be tricky. [spoiler]Can an expert please elaborate. NOT APPLICABLE IN MY CASE [/spoiler]

1) The way Scott and John run is/are funny
IS. The subject here is : The way Scott and John run. The way THEY run is Singular. Because we are interested in THE WAY not IN THEM. So singular IS

2) The way Scott runs and the way John runs is/are funny
ARE. The subject here is :The way Scott runs and the way John runs
Here We are interested in - 1) The way Scott runs AND 2) the way John runs. So basically it seems they both run in 2 different manner and those 2 WAYS are now under the consideration. SO 2 WAYS = PLURAL = Plural ARE.

I hope I am not WAY too far from correct answers.

Thanks.

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by nycknicks11 » Sun May 29, 2011 4:49 pm

I have no idea whether they are correct cuz I made it up but here's another data point:

There is a difference in the way the term turnover and the term revenue are used in business across ...

This is deemed correct.

a) Is is part of difference. Fine.

b) Let's take it out and just view: The way the term turnover and the term revenue is/are used. "Are" is the suggested answer.I'm still pretty confused here.(This is not OG problem. If someone has OG data point that can shed light on this please recc. Thanks.)

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by sameerballani » Sun May 29, 2011 11:28 pm

nycknicks11 wrote:I have no idea whether they are correct cuz I made it up but here's another data point:

There is a difference in the way the term turnover and the term revenue are used in business across ...

This is deemed correct.

a) Is is part of difference. Fine.

b) Let's take it out and just view: The way the term turnover and the term revenue is/are used. "Are" is the suggested answer.I'm still pretty confused here.(This is not OG problem. If someone has OG data point that can shed light on this please recc. Thanks.)

Is the correct usage ARE in this case
i mean is this the correct sentence - There is a difference in the way the term turnover and the term revenue are used in business across.

If yes, Are you looking for more clarity on dis?

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by nycknicks11 » Mon May 30, 2011 12:25 am

yes. the usage is are. which kinda conflict with the info above. cuz the subject is "The way"

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by sameerballani » Mon May 30, 2011 2:52 am

nycknicks11 wrote:yes. the usage is are. which kinda conflict with the info above. cuz the subject is "The way"

There is a difference in the way the term turnover and the term revenue are used in business across.

No, the subject here is The way the term turnover AND the way the term revenue. We are considering 2 different ways together So its plural. We pull out The way 2nd time to shorten it without introducing any error.
Also notice the start There is a difference, Difference would be between 2 things(in this case the 2 ways), this also gives a clue of Plural subject.

I hope it makes sense

Thanks

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by cans » Mon May 30, 2011 3:13 am

vineeshp wrote: 2) The way Scott runs and the way John runs is/are funny - ARE. 2 ways are combined using And. So this one must use the plural form.

Can you please elaborate why is it 'are'?

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by sameerballani » Mon May 30, 2011 3:22 am

cans wrote:
vineeshp wrote: 2) The way Scott runs and the way John runs is/are funny - ARE. 2 ways are combined using And. So this one must use the plural form.
Can you please elaborate why is it 'are'?

Singular Subject + Singular Subject = Plural subject --> Hence ARE

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by nycknicks11 » Mon May 30, 2011 5:54 pm

But The way Scott and John run IS.... wouldn't you be able to insert the way in front of John here?

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by deep.amangmat » Mon May 30, 2011 8:41 pm

Ok.. this means that if I had ..

Scot and JOhny are/is funny.. which one will be correct.

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by rohu27 » Mon May 30, 2011 9:43 pm

deep.amangmat wrote:Ok.. this means that if I had ..

Scot and JOhny are/is funny.. which one will be correct.

It would be Scot and Johnny are funny.

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by sameerballani » Mon May 30, 2011 10:58 pm

nycknicks11 wrote:But The way Scott and John run IS.... wouldn't you be able to insert the way in front of John here?

Here it is a common WAY which is applicable to both.
In case you Insert The way before JOHN, den it will be ARE

In previous case we were differentiating, For that we need two things to differentiate. And thos two things were 2 Ways of each individual.

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by sameerballani » Mon May 30, 2011 11:00 pm

deep.amangmat wrote:Ok.. this means that if I had ..

Scot and JOhny are/is funny.. which one will be correct.

It would be ARE
for the same reason
Singular+Singular=Plural

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by viv_gmat » Tue May 31, 2011 4:44 am

My two cents-

1) The way Scott and John run is/are funny

Here the sentence talks about "the way" (Scott and John run) and that particular "way" IS funny.
Since, we talk about that very "way", it is Singular.

2) The way Scott runs and the way John runs is/are funny

Here the sentence talks about "the way Scott runs" and "the way John runs" so in all it talks about "two ways", which is Plural.

Hope it helps.

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