Venn diagrams and Matrices

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Venn diagrams and Matrices

by sam2304 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:16 pm
For set problems I have used both venn diagrams and matrices but I have a curious doubt, are venn diagrams and matrix interchangeable as in can we approach same problem with both the methods ? And is it applicable to all the problems ?
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by amit28it » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:44 pm
Venn diagram is different thing and matrix is different and on applying both the approaches on same problem will give you different answers but you can apply both.
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by sam2304 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:53 pm
This problem can be solved using both venn diagram and matrix method. I get the same answer, so how do we decide which one to use for which problems ? Can all the problems solved using venn diagrams be solved using Matrix method and not the vice versa ?

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by lunarpower » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:02 am
i received a private message regarding this thread.

as in the case of many other strategy-related issues, this one contains a large component of individual preference. if you are overwhelmingly familiar with one or the other of these devices, then you'll probably find that device "easier" in any case to which it's actually applicable.

however:

* if a problem contains three overlapping sets, then the "matrix" (which, by the way, is more commonly known as a two-way table, in statistical parlance) is actually impossible to make. (if there are three sets, then the "matrix" would actually take the form of a cube, which can't reasonably be drawn on a scratch pad.)
therefore, in three-set problems -- rare as they may be -- you're going to have to use a venn diagram.

* in two-set problems, you can usually use either of the devices. however, in most situations, the matrix/two-way table will involve significantly less work, because (a) it has more spaces and so can represent more quantities explicitly, and (b) its rows and columns are set up for automatic addition/subtraction.
for instance, consider a case in which students are either juniors or seniors, male or female. let's say you are given the following humble statement: "50 of the students are seniors."
- in the two-way matrix, the statement is no problem: just find the intersection of "seniors"/"total" and write in 50.
- in the venn diagram, this statement isn't nearly as easy to deal with, because there is no single region that corresponds to the total number of seniors. there may be a circle in the diagram that corresponds to this quantity, but that circular region will be divided into two parts by the other circle. therefore, you will face a choice between two options, each of which is rather undesirable: either (a) make up a variable "x" (which you didn't need in the matrix table) and split the region into x and 50 - x, or (b) indicate on your diagram, with inevitable awkwardness, a single quantity that corresponds to the sum of the entire circle.

my short answer, therefore, is this: venn diagrams are required for three-set problems, but the two-way matrix is generally a better choice for two-set problems. but, again, individual comfort levels with these devices also play a large role.
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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:20 am
amit28it wrote:Venn diagram is different thing and matrix is different and on applying both the approaches on same problem will give you different answers but you can apply both.
As Ron said, for 2-set questions, you can use either approach (or the overlapping set formula:

True # of objects = total # in group 1 + total # in group 2 + total # in neither group + number in both groups).

If you're getting different answers using different approaches, then you're making mistakes along the way.
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