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Breaking down a Long GMATPrep SC problem

by Stacey Koprince on March 8th, 2011
31 comments
Stacey is a GMAT Instructor living in Montreal. Click here to read more articles from Manhattan GMAT and to learn more about Manhattan GMAT's classes.
Posted in
  • GMAT Verbal
  • Modifiers
  • Sentence Correction

A student recently asked me what they should do when faced with Sentence Correction problems containing very long underlines and a “jumble” in the answer choices.  Many sentence correction questions can easily be scanned vertically, in order to find differences among the answers. But in some problems, major parts of the sentence move around and the basic structure changes (for instance, an independent clause becomes dependent and vice versa). If you’re a ManhattanGMAT student, we would classify these kinds of questions as ones for which the “splits” are more challenging to identify.

This week and next we’re going to analyze a couple of GMATPrep^ Sentence Correction questions that possess these characteristics. (Note: click here to read about the general process of attacking Sentence Correction questions; the techniques we discuss in this current article are to be used only when necessary.)

Here’s today’s problem; set your timer for 1 minute and 15 seconds and go!

More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia’s Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world’s fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(A) More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia’s Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world’s fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(B) With 20 percent of the world’s fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia’s Lake Baikal has more than 300 rivers that drain into it.

(C) Siberia’s Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, it holds more of the world’s fresh water than all that of the North American Great Lakes combined, 20 percent.

(D) While more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia’s Lake Baikal holds 20 percent of the world’s fresh water, which is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.

(E) More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia’s Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, holds 20 percent of the world’s fresh water.

[Note to those who answered the problem within the allotted time frame and thought it wasn’t too hard. Did you read the answer choices horizontally? Or did you compare choices vertically? You may be able to get away with a horizontal strategy for this problem, but if you want to get better, then you need to learn the vertical strategy for harder problems. If this problem was easier for you, don’t dismiss it. Use it to learn how to tackle harder problems. (And use this principle in general: easier problems are VERY good for learning how to tackle harder problems.)]

Okay, have you got your answer? Now, let’s dive into this thing!

What did you think when you read the original sentence?

The first thing I noticed was that the entire sentence is underlined. That’s a really good clue that I might have one of these sentences where the “splits” (or differences in the answer choices) might be less obvious. It’s more likely that big chunks of the sentence will move around, and the forms of different pieces may change more substantially than usual. Basically, the longer the underline, the more likely it is that you will see these types of things in the answer choices.

More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia’s Lake Baikal*, WHICH **  holds an amount of water, MORE THAN*** <the water in another area>.

* The opening piece is our independent clause (main sentence): “More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia’s Lake Baikal.” (Note that “more than” here is not introducing a comparison. It is simply defining a number: more than 300.)

** The “which” introduces our first modifier. “Which” indicates  a noun modifier, and a “comma which” structure should modify the closest preceding main noun. In this case, the closest preceding main noun is Lake Baikal.

*** The second instance of “more than” indicates a comparison. We need to make sure that the items being compared are both logically and structurally comparable. In this case, we’re comparing the amount of water contained in one lake to the amount of water contained in several other lakes combined. [Note: because “more than” appears after the comma, it is carrying the concept under comparison (a percentage of the world’s fresh water) to the second comparison item; that is, we are comparing the relevant “world’s fresh water percentage” figure for Lake Baikal and the Great Lakes.]

More simply, we’ve got:

Independent clause, modifier, comparison

In general on SC, if you spot something that you think is problematic when reading the initial sentence, then you address that issue first. If you don’t spot something, or you don’t see anything more in the original (but you still have more than one answer choice remaining), you need to do one of two things:

(1) start reading the remaining answers horizontally, or

(2) start comparing the remaining answers vertically.

As a general rule, it is preferable to compare answers vertically. Your goal is always to find the best answer of the five; finding the best of something is by definition a comparison.

On many SC problems, this vertical comparison is relatively straightforward: you notice that three answers have the verb “is” and two have the verb “are,” so now you know there is a subject-verb issue and you need to identify the subject in order to know whether “is” or “are” is the right verb. On some SC problems, however, the vertical comparisons are not that easy – but that doesn’t mean you can’t still use the technique!

So how do we still use this technique when the splits, or differences, aren’t as straightforward? We break the sentence into major parts – that’s why I simplified our original sentence, above, into “independent clause, modifier, comparison.”

Where are those parts in the various answer choices? Answer choice A is always the same as the original, of course. What about the others?

Answers B, C, D, and E all open with some kind of modifier, not an independent clause. So the independent clause moves, but we know the sentence still needs to contain an independent clause somewhere! So what are the structures of the five sentences? (The commas represent the actual commas found in the sentences.)

A: independent clause, modifier, comparison

B: modifier, comparison, independent clause

C: subject (beginning of independent clause), modifier, independent clause (containing comparison), modifier

D: comparison, independent clause, modifier (containing another comparison)

E: comparison, subject (beginning of independent clause), modifier, rest of independent clause

In practice, I would start just with the independent clause in each choice, ignoring the rest of the sentence. Is each independent clause okay?

So, let’s see. We do have independent clauses in each option, so we can’t eliminate for that reason (sometimes, an answer won’t contain an independent clause at all). There is something funny about the independent clause in C, though… what is it?

C: “Siberia’s Lake Baikal it holds more of the world’s fresh water than all that of the North American Great Lakes combined”

Ah. The independent clause has two subjects: “Lake Baikal” and the pronoun “it.” Sentences can have two subjects, but those two subjects need to have a connector word, such as “and” or “or,” in between. Choice C says “Lake Baikal it holds.” No good. Eliminate C.

What else? The independent clause is jumping around, and so are the modifiers that “hang” on the clause. Looks like we need to check whether the big pieces are placed correctly relative to the other big pieces!

Hmm. Noun modifiers are supposed to be placed as close as possible to the nouns they modify – in the vast majority of cases, right next to the nouns they modify. Let’s grab each modifier and check its placement (ignoring everything else in each sentence).

A: “Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world’s fresh water…” Does Lake Baikal hold that water? Yes. A is okay on this count.

B: “With 20 percent of the world’s fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined…” What is “with 20 percent” of the water? That? “North American Great Lakes? No. It’s supposed to be Lake Baikal, but that doesn’t even show up until after the comparison. No good. Eliminate B.

C: Already eliminated, but note that the “20 percent” is placed incorrectly. Does Lake Baikal contain 20 percent of the water, or does that 20 percent refer to the North American Great Lakes combined? I have no idea. This would be another reason to eliminate C.

D: “While more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia’s Lake Baikal…” Is the modifier info referring to Lake Baikal? Yes. That’s okay as far as that goes. But… there is a sticking point. What does the word “while” mean? It can actually mean two things:

  1. while = at the same time as. I practice piano while twiddling my thumbs. (I’m very talented!) I practice piano at the same time as I twiddle my thumbs.
  2. while = although, or some sort of contrast. While it’s true that I play piano and know how to twiddle my thumbs, I obviously can’t do both of those things at the same time. That would be impossible!

In this case, neither of those interpretations would make sense for this sentence. It doesn’t make sense to say that the 300 rivers drain into Lake Baikal “at the same time as” the lake holds 20 percent of the world’s fresh water. These aren’t two separate actions that happen to occur simultaneously.

Nor does it make sense to introduce a contrast: although the 300 rivers drain into Lake Baikal, the lake holds 20 percent of the world’s fresh water. Actually, the Lake holds that much fresh water because the 300 rivers drain into it, not despite this fact.

So, although the placement of the modifier in D is okay, the introduction of the word “while” to introduce the modifier is not. Eliminate D.

E: “Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it…” Is the modifier referring to the preceding noun, Lake Baikal? Yes. Some people may object that the modifier sounds awkward, in particular the pronoun “it.” I agree that it sounds awkward, but we’re going to stick to solid grammar rules here. The modifier refers to the correct noun.

We’ve eliminated B, C, and D; we still have A and E. What haven’t we tested yet? The placement of the comparison – let’s try that next.

A: “Lake Baikal, which holds 20% of the world’s fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.” The second half of the comparison is clear: “the North American Great Lakes combined.” The first half refers to the thing that “holds 20% of the world’s fresh water”: Lake Baikal. Lake Baikal holds 20% of the water and that figure is more than the equivalent figure for the collective Great Lakes.

E: “More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia’s Lake Baikal…” So Lake Baikal is more than the Great Lakes… more than what? What specific measurement are we discussing? General size or volume? The number of rivers draining into each? The percentage of the world’s fresh water that each holds? Ambiguity = bad. Eliminate E.

The correct answer is A.

Key Takeaways for Long Underlines + Jumbled Sentences on SC

(1) Long-underline sentences are more likely to be “jumbled” – that is, to move big chunks of the sentence around and even to change what information is located in the dependent vs. independent clauses. When you see this happening, you need to break the sentence down into those chunks (commas are often great natural separators) and figure out the role of each chunk.

(2) When you use the “chunk” strategy, you will often start in one of two places: either start with the first chunk of the original sentence and go find the location of that chunk in subsequent answer choices, or start with the independent clause in each answer choice, wherever that might be.

(3) These kinds of sentences also typically test the placement of the chunks – is the modifier or comparison in the right place relative to the other pieces of information? Is the parallelism constructed properly across the sentence?

Finally, join us next week for more on this topic as we tackle another, even more convoluted problem of this type!

^GMATPrep question courtesy of the Graduate Management Admissions Council. Usage of this question does not imply endorsement by GMAC.

Read Part 2 of this article by clicking here.

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31 comments

  • Bellcurve on March 8th, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Stacy,

    Thank you for the great article. Quick question if you don't mind.

    Doesn't A mean,
    20% of fresh water > all the great lakes combined

    Doesn't this comparing water to lakes themselves rather than the amount of water those great lakes have?

    Don't we need something like "20% of fresh water, more WATER than all the great lakes combined HAVE" to make it clear that we are comparing the amount of water rather than the lakes themselves?

    Thanks for the article again.

    BC

    Reply to this comment
    • Stacey Koprince on March 8th, 2011 at 9:10 am

      That's the trap! They want you to think that so that you'll eliminate the right answer. Remember: on harder questions, it isn't enough for the answer to just be right. It also has to have something that will make some number of people eliminate it... incorrectly.

      In case anyone wants to refer to it, here's what I typed in the article above about this issue:
      [Note: because “more than” appears after the comma, it is carrying the concept under comparison (a percentage of the world’s fresh water) to the second comparison item; that is, we are comparing the relevant “world’s fresh water percentage” figure for Lake Baikal and the Great Lakes.]

      "Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world’s fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined"

      See how there's a comma before the "more than?" Normally we'd just say something like: "Lake Baikal's percentage of the world's fresh water is more than the percentage held by all the North American Great Lakes combined." No comma - the sentence says "is more than." That's a more common construction, and with that construction, notice that I did have to repeat the idea of the percentage - the thing that's being compared.

      In the GMATPrep sentence, though, the structure is different. That more than is coming after a comma - it's actually a modifier itself as well as a comparison marker.

      What's before the comma? "20 percent of the world’s fresh water" So the "more than" modifier is modifying that - in other words, the "more than" modifier already includes the idea that we're talking about "a percentage of the world's fresh water."

      You can think of it this way:
      "Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world’s fresh water, [an amount that is] more than all the North American Great Lakes combined"

      The stuff in brackets is implied because we have a modifier set-up here, not just a "normal" comparison.

  • Bellcurve on March 9th, 2011 at 7:29 am

    Did not know abou the trap! Thank you very much. That makes sense.

    Reply to this comment
  • Maddy on March 9th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Nice Article Stacey. Keep them coming !

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  • Matt on March 9th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    It is a perfect sample and axplenation, But I am not sure I can do all in 1 min and 15 secs. plus so much stress

    Reply to this comment
    • Stacey Koprince on March 9th, 2011 at 10:42 am

      Yes, on a question like this one, you'd likely spend a bit more time than average - maybe 1m30 to 1m45. You'd have to save that on other questions, of course. That's why I mention that you'd only use this "big chunks" technique when you have to - it takes longer.

  • Matt on March 9th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Stacey I have a question, How many tests on the GMAT, in verbal section should I do right so that I get higher than 30% ? Is it a good strategy to spend more time on first 10 or 15 questions but instead just guess some of the last ones that will be no time for them???

    Reply to this comment
    • Stacey Koprince on March 9th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

      For your second question - no, it's a myth that the earlier questions are worth more. Answer the questions that you can answer in the expected timeframe, and guess WHEN you see questions that are too hard for you. Don't spend a bunch of extra time on questions that are too hard anyway. Those should be your guesses.

      For your first question... I'm sorry, but I don't understand the question. How many tests should you take? There isn't one right answer to that. Most people take between 3 and 6 practice tests total. And are you asking about scoring higher than the 30th percentile? Or more than 30% of the questions right?

      Almost everybody answers approximately 60% of the questions right, regardless of scoring level (though this number changes at the highest and lowest scoring levels). So... you are most likely going to get around 60% of the questions right no matter what. :) The test is not scored based upon percentage correct.

      You may want to read the Scoring section of our free e-book The GMAT Uncovered in order to better understand the scoring. If you have an account with us already, the book is in your student center. If you don't, sign up for a free account so you can get the free book!

  • Matt on March 9th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Thank you very much, I thought that first questions are more valuable than others, I read it in a book though. and yes my question was how many questions should I solve correct to get above 30th percentile in the verbal section. You really helped me.

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  • VNM on March 16th, 2011 at 7:41 am

    For option (A) - "More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia’s Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world’s fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined"

    I thought if you remove the optional clause "which holds 20 percent of the world’s fresh water" it will be:

    "More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia’s Lake Baikal more than all the North American Great Lakes combined"

    which is incorrect. Am I thinking straight?

    Reply to this comment
    • Stacey Koprince on March 16th, 2011 at 8:17 am

      You can remove the "which" modifier, but the "more than all" bit is actually modifying the "which" modifier in option A. So if you remove the "which" part in A, you also have to remove the "more than" part (again, for option A). :)

      The core is simply: More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal.

  • Voodoo on August 4th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Stacey,
    I am a bit confused about the usage of ",more than" setup. I went through your post, and it seems that "more than" modifies noun/prepositional phrase before the comma. However, if we consider the example below (Option A), it doesn't. Can you please help me?

    This problem is from GMATPrep. Hence, no copyright issues...

    A study on couples' retirement transitions found that women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers reported high marital satisfaction, more so than those who retired completely. A. more so than those who retired B. which was more than if they had retired C. more than when retiring D. more than if they were to retire E. which was more so than those retiring 

    OA is A. 

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    • Voodoo on August 4th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

      Sorry....copy paste didnt work quite well.

      A study on couples' retirement transitions found that women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers reported high marital satisfaction, more so than those who retired completely.

       A. more so than those who retired

      B. which was more than if they had retired

      C. more than when retiring

      D. more than if they were to retire

      E. which was more so than those retiring 
      OA is A.

    • Stacey Koprince on August 4th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

      "more than" is a comparison marker, not a noun modifier. The structure is "X more than Y" where X and Y are parallel. (But note that the X does not literally have to come immediately before the "more" as long as it's clear what we're talking about.)

      --> I like carrots more than peas.
      This is a very simple structure. X = carrots, Y = peas. Carrots and peas are both nouns (parallel).

      So when you see "more than" (or other comparison markers), you need to find your X and Y, while noting that the words do not need to come literally right before or after the "more than" (though the Y is often right after the "than") as long as the meaning is still clear. (And that was one thing wrong with answer E in the original problem, above: it's not clear what is "more than" something else.)

      In the other GMATPrep example you gave, you've got a more complicated setup: more SO than... the "so" is referring to something introduced earlier in the sentence.

      Let's make our lives easy and rename the "women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers." Let's call them "certain women."

      "A study found that certain women reported high marital satisfaction."
      There's our core sentence.
      "more SO than those who retired completely"
      what does the SO refer to? It refers to an action - in this case the action of reporting high marital satisfaction. Okay, that's fine. Let's call "high marital satisfaction" HMS instead.
      And, finally, let's also rename "those who retired completely" as "those others."

      Certain women reported HMS, more so than those others.
      There's our basic sentence structure. :)

      "more than" = a comparison. What are we comparing? Logically, one category of women to another category of women. So X = certain women, and Y = those others.

      X reported HMS, more so than Y.
      Just as a basic comparison structure, that's fine. We're comparing how much they reported HMS, so having all of that in the middle is okay - in fact, it's exactly what we want, because that info is part of what we're comparing.

      Then we have to ask ourselves whether X and Y are parallel, both structurally and logically. X is one category of women and Y is another, so logically that's fine. X is the noun "women" and Y is the pronoun "those," which refers back to the noun "women." So structurally we're fine as well.

      Answer B - the introduction of the word "which" turns this into a noun modifier, so it would have to be referring to the preceding main noun, satisfaction... but that's wrong. Eliminate B and E (for the same reason).

      C and D change the original meaning. The original sentence compares two separate groups of women. C and D don't actually introduce the second group of women! This is perhaps more obvious in C, which doesn't contain a noun or pronoun referring to the second group of women. D does have the pronoun "they" but it says "if they were to retire" - meaning, if that original group of women were to make a different decision, then they would change their minds about their level of marital satisfaction... not what the original sentence said!

    • Winnie the pooh on April 12th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

      Stacey

      I have a question in your post : 
      "C and D change the original meaning. The original sentence compares two separate groups of women. C and D don't actually introduce the second group of women! This is perhaps more obvious in C, which doesn't contain a noun or pronoun referring to the second group of women. D does have the pronoun "they" but it says "if they were to retire" - meaning, if that original group of women were to make a different decision, then they would change their minds about their level of marital satisfaction... not what the original sentence said!"

      We saw above, in Lake Baikal example, that ", more than" is a modifier set up -- noun modifier. I am not sure why you are saying that C and D change the meaning. Is it that in C and in D, ",more than" is compared with hypothetical situations? Essentially, a noun (marital satisfaction) is compared with an adverbial clause ("when...." as in answer choice c) or with an hypothetical statement ("if...")?

      Can you please shed some some light on "more than" constructions? Your answers are really helpful. 

      thanks in advance.

  • Voodoo on August 4th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Thank you so much, Stacey. Your post is really helpful. It's like serving water to a man in the desert.

    I got confused by your statement in one of your earlier post on this blog "[Note: because “more than” appears after the comma, it is carrying the concept under comparison (a percentage of the world’s fresh water) to the second comparison item; that is, we are comparing the relevant “world’s fresh water percentage” figure for Lake Baikal and the Great Lakes.]"

    :( I have pasted this comment, titled "comma more than" setup, on my wall.....I got the concept of "comma more so than"...!

    BTW, I have an unrelated question. Do you think it will be ok to write: 

    Prices of apples rose greater than those of bananas, more than what people had expected. 

    I am curious...

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    • Stacey Koprince on August 4th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

      Okay, glad that's straightened out now. :)

      On your apples / bananas sentence... let's see...

      Okay, so there's one price for the apples right? Maybe apples cost $0.50 and bananas cost $0.25? So we'd need to say price, singular.

      Then, you'd also need to say "more than" (as I did above). Use "greater than" for the same thing changing over time:
      the price of apples is greater today than it was yesterday

      and "more than" when comparing two different things:
      "the price of apples is more than (or higher than) the price of bananas

      Note: that is not the only way to use the above two expressions (eg, you can use "greater than" for uncountable nouns, such as "the density of water is greater than the density of ice"). But for the above two situations, use as I described above.

      So now we have "The price of apples is more than that of bananas."

      Now, you also use the verb "rose" - so you're introducing another concept. Are you trying to say that the price of one rose faster than the price of the other? If so - if you're actually referring to the rate of change being higher for apples - then you'd say "the price of apples rose faster than that of bananas."

      If, on the other hand, you're saying that the price of bananas didn't change, just the price of apples, then you couldn't use that sentence, because it implies that BOTH prices are going up. Instead, you'd have to say something like "The price of apples is now higher than (or more than) the price of bananas."

      So I guess it depends on what meaning you were trying to convey. :)

      And then do you want to say that the speed with which things changed was faster than people had expected? Or the price increase was more than what people had expected? Or the price itself is higher than people expected? Because there are a couple of numerical concepts here, we have to make sure that the "more than" part is very clearly referring to just one number / math concept.

      The price of apples rose faster than that of bananas, increasing at a higher rate than people had expected. (The rate was higher than expected.)

      The price of apples rose 15% today, more than the experts had predicted. (The price increase was more than predicted.)

      The price of apples rose 15% higher than the price of bananas, a greater increase than people had expected.

  • Voodoo on August 4th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Thank you so much, Stacey for correcting me. My intention was to make a sentence similar to "X reported HMS, more so than Y" but in which there is no "so." Basically, I wanted to know whether ", more than" construction can modify the action without "so". Because in our Lake BAikal example, ",more than" modifies "20 percent of the world’s fresh water."  I didnt know whether this is a grammatical rule -- ",more than" compares noun before the comma. ie. .X, more than Y. 

    Secondly, I want to thank you again for correcting me on that price example. If I am correct, the reason why you suggested to use "price" is because, time, distance and money require "more/less than" for comparison.
    I thought that there is a difference between Price and Cost in terms of usage of more/greater. I always get confused about using "greater/more/higher||lower/less" for price/cost. I have noticed that GMAT uses interchangeably in RC/CRs. :( May be it will be really helpful if you could shed some light.

    Lastly, in your three example, the first one is typical and GMAT favorite "-ing" setup.
    The second one is ", more than" setup (similar to Lake Baikal example) and the third one is an absolute phrase. Correct? :(

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    • Stacey Koprince on August 9th, 2011 at 6:57 am

      **NOTE** I'm going to change something I said in an earlier post. You _can_ use "greater than" to compare the prices of two things. See below.
      * * * * *
      If the X is a noun (in an X more than Y) construction, then the Y is also a noun (parallelism required) and we're comparing the two nouns, not the action. If you have an "X, more so than Y" construction, or some other construction that includes a verb, now you can be comparing some actions of the two nouns (I'm assuming X and Y are still nouns).

      The basket contains more apples than pears. X = apples, Y = pears.
      She likes to watch TV more than he does. X = how much she likes to watch TV, Y = how much he likes to watch TV.
      She is really tall, more so than her sister. X = how tall she is, Y = how tall her sister is.

      I'm not 100% sure that I understand your reference to the Lake Baikal example - are you pointing out that, in the Lake Baikal example, we are NOT comparing actions, just nouns? (The amount of water)

      Re: using more / greater / higher etc., there are a couple of things to keep in mind.

      First, there are what we call "countable" nouns and "uncountable" nouns. We can count the word hat: one hat, two hats, three hats. So hat = countable. We can't count the word patience: one patience, two patiences, three patiences? Nope. So patience = uncountable.

      There are rules for what adjectives can be used to modify countable vs. uncountable nouns. (You can find the full lesson starting on page 193 of our SC Guide, including a list of things you can use to modify each type.)

      less / less than = used with uncountable nouns
      more = used with both countable and uncountable nouns

      increase / decrease vs. greater than / less than
      you should use the former for one thing changing over time:
      The price of apples increased today.
      and use the latter for comparing two different things:
      The price of applies is greater than the price of bananas. (Also: The price of apples is more / higher than the price of bananas.)

      Finally, in my three examples at the end of my last post, the first is an -ing modifier. The second uses a "comma comparison-marker" setup, similar to our Lake Baikal sentence.

      The third I'm having trouble classifying, so now I'm wondering whether I wrote a strictly GMAT-correct sentence there. Hmm. A better sentence would put the increase itself right before the comma. Something like: While the price of bananas remained the same, the price of apples rose 15%, a greater increase than people had expected. Now we've got a proper noun modifier going on there.

  • Voodoo on August 5th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Stacey,
    Can you please reply to my comment? :( I am eagerly awaiting your response :(

    -Voodoo

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  • Donald Kruzner on August 5th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Stacey,
    Recently saw this on GMATPrep. Do you think that it's possible to solve this question in 1min? Even I am confused by Voodoo's question.

    Thanks
    Don

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    • Stacey Koprince on August 11th, 2011 at 6:22 am

      SC questions need to average about 1m15s. On some, we'll answer in 50 or 60 seconds; for others, we might need 1m30s or 1m40s.

      Long underlines are usually going to be at the higher end of that timeframe - and that's fine, as long as your average is ultimately around 1m15s.

      So I would say that, sure, it's *possible* to solve this in 1m, but most people would probably need more time. Plus, it's a really hard question, so a lot of people are going to get it wrong no matter how much time they spend. :)

  • duongthang on February 7th, 2012 at 6:30 am

    GREAT, THANK YOU STACEY.

    - read the original sentence, and separate it into chunks.
    - choose a chuNk, maybe the first chuck of original sentence, as a focus 1
    - read choice B, find the position of this chunk and find the illogic position. AT THIS STEP , WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF SENTENCE. Am I right? because if we can not understand the intent/meaning of the sentence how can we find the errors.

    second
    because the choosed first chunk permits us to eliminate only 2 or 3 choices, we may need to choose the second chunk as focus 2 and find the positions of this second chucks in the remaining choices to find illogicness. we repeat the steps we do with the first chunk. Am I right?

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    • Stacey Koprince on February 7th, 2012 at 11:56 am

      We do want to start thinking about meaning from the beginning, but you may read the original sentence and think: There's something illogical about that meaning. If you can articulate what exactly is wrong, then you know answer A is wrong (and any others with the same messed-up meaning), and then you'd have to look at what is left to find an answer that is both grammatically correct and has a logical meaning.

      Whether you choose to look for grammar or meaning issues first is up to you. I'd say that most people, especially non-native speakers, prefer to look for grammar issues first, but you do need to be prepared to deal with meaning because grammar won't always get you all the way down to just the one right answer.

      In terms of studying meaning further, I'd recommend that you look through the archive of my articles here on BTG and look for all the ones that mention SC and Meaning in the title. :)
      http://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/manhattan-gmat

      And, yes, if you use the "chunk" method, you may need to use it multiple times. Note that this method is, in general, more time-consuming than dealing with single words that change, but not all problems will give you just single words that change. (In other words, don't use this method on ALL problems - just when you have to because a ton is underlined and big chunks of the sentence are moving around or changing.)

  • Winnie the pooh on April 12th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Stacey
    I have a question in your post : 

    "C and D change the original meaning. The original sentence compares two separate groups of women. C and D don't actually introduce the second group of women! This is perhaps more obvious in C, which doesn't contain a noun or pronoun referring to the second group of women. D does have the pronoun "they" but it says "if they were to retire" - meaning, if that original group of women were to make a different decision, then they would change their minds about their level of marital satisfaction... not what the original sentence said!"

    We saw above, in Lake Baikal example, that ", more than" is a modifier set up -- noun modifier. I am not sure why you are saying that C and D change the meaning. Is it that in C and in D, ",more than" is compared with hypothetical situations? Essentially, a noun (marital satisfaction) is compared with an adverbial clause ("when...." as in answer choice c) or with an hypothetical statement ("if...")?
    Can you please shed some some light on "more than" constructions? Your answers are really helpful. 
    thanks in advance.

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    • Stacey Koprince on April 19th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

      Huh, that's strange. I didn't get an email notification about your first comment here. Sorry about that!

      First, "more than" is a comparison marker. I like X more than Y. The "more than" part is the clue that X and Y are being compared (and therefore have to be parallel). By definition, those two things have to be different things, right? I can't say I like apples more than apples - that doesn't make any sense.

      So when you have a comparison structure, you have to ask yourself "what is the X and what is the Y?"

      The study shows that women go grocery shopping more often than men. Women and men are the X and Y here.

      The study shows that women go grocery shopping more often than women. The same group, women, is both X and Y. Obviously doesn't make sense, right?

      In answer D, we have "women" as the X and then the pronoun "they" for the Y. The "they" has to refer to another noun in the sentence, so it's referring to women... but those are the same women. It's like saying "the study shows that women go grocery shopping more often than women." 

      I could say "Tall women go grocery shopping more often than short women" because now I'm talking about two different sub-groups of women - but you do actually have to specify that you're talking about two different groups. Answer D doesn't say that... it just says "they," referring to the same women in the X part of the comparison.

      Answer C is ambiguous, essentially - it doesn't contain a Y part of the comparison. If you don't have anything there, then the default appears to be that the X also applies here on the Y side, but then again, you're just talking about the same group of women. The easier way to think of this, though, is just to think: I've got an X but no matching Y, so it's wrong. Or, yes you can say that the Y is "when retiring" which is not parallel to the noun "women" (which is our X).

  • Winnie the pooh on April 19th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    Stacey -  could you please reply to my above question? I am eagerly awaiting your response :( Please help me :(

    Thanks

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  • duongthang on April 20th, 2012 at 12:17 am

    Thank you Stacey.
    in your progress of doing in the above problem. I see that you eliminate C first. C contain mechanical error. I heard that the best way to attack any SC problem is to look for mechanical error first disregarding whether the SC problems belong to chuck-move-around or normal type.

    So, I see that the first thing we should do for a SC is to look for mechanical error. Do you thing this is a good strategy. pls, comment.

    after looking for mechanical errors, we begin use chuck- move- around strategy as you do with above problem or begin to compare the answer choices vertically.

    I see that your work order is exactly the same as I said. Do you think my idea is good? pls comment. Thank you.

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    • Stacey Koprince on April 20th, 2012 at 11:24 am

      I don't actually think about what *type* of error to examine first. I just look for the first thing I notice that *might* be a problem and ask myself how confident I am about whatever that is. If I'm confident, I eliminate. If I'm not confident, I leave that and go look for something else.

      If the sentence is so complex that I'm having trouble understanding all of it, then I do look to find subjects and verbs first - the basic sentence structure. Only after I understand what that is can I then go figure out the modifiers. So if there's a problem with the subjects/verbs, then I'll tend to notice that first, but that's just because I was trying to understand the basic sentence structure. I don't automatically look for subject/verb first on every sentence.

      And that's what happened with C in this case. There were two subjects, and since I was focusing on the independent clause (and specifically the subject and verb) just to understand what was going on, I saw that first.

  • Winnie the pooh on April 27th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Answer C is ambiguous, essentially - it doesn't contain a Y part of the comparison. If you don't have anything there, then the default appears to be that the X also applies here on the Y side, but then again, you're just talking about the same group of women. The easier way to think of this, though, is just to think: I've got an X but no matching Y, so it's wrong. Or, yes you can say that the Y is "when retiring" which is not parallel to the noun "women" (which is our X).

    I have a question - Why do you say that "when retiring" ties back to the first category of women?

    If I say :

    The Lion king became mad at the animals when asked to lead an expedition to Antarctica. (It's a weird ex though. I have used the logic of "mice +placed" GMATPrep example, if you remember)

    Here, "when asked" applies to the Lion King and not animals. Correct? Why do you say that "when retiring" refers back to "women"? I know that logically it should refer back to women. How could the "study" retire! That's unknown.

    Can you please help me?

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    • Stacey Koprince on April 27th, 2012 at 11:03 am

      In that particular example I was giving, the "X" part of the comparison was the noun "women" and the Y part was "when retiring." Those two things are NOT parallel - that was an *incorrect* example. The lesson is that those two parts are supposed to match (because the X and the Y should be parallel) but they don't. 

      In the example that you gave, yes, the Lion King is being asked to lead the expedition. But the example you gave differs from the other situation because the example you gave is not a comparison.

      If you see a comparison marker, figure out what the X and the Y are. If those two things are not the same kind of thing (two nouns, for example), then it's an error!

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