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by selango » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:01 am
If the integer n is greater than 1, is n equal to 2?

(1)n has exactly two positive factors.

(2)The difference of any two positive distinct factors of n is odd.
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by kvcpk » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:16 am
selango wrote:If the integer n is greater than 1, is n equal to 2?

(1)n has exactly two positive factors.

(2)The difference of any two positive distinct factors of n is odd.
(1)n has exactly two positive factors.
Let n= 3, n has only 2 positive factors ->1,3
Let n=2, n has exactly 2 positive factors -> 1,2
INSUFF

(2)The difference of any two positive distinct factors of n is odd.
A Positive integer which has exactly two positive factors is a prime number.
One of the factors is 1. For the difference to be odd, all other factors should be even.
But difference between the even factors will turn out to be odd. Hence only 1 even factor should exist.
2 is the only Even prime.
Hence n= 2.
SUFF

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Whats OA?
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by sanju09 » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:16 am
selango wrote:If the integer n is greater than 1, is n equal to 2?

(1)n has exactly two positive factors.

(2)The difference of any two positive distinct factors of n is odd.
[spoiler]n is nothing but 2.

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by selango » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:28 am
OA B
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by selango » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:29 am
sanju09 wrote:
selango wrote:If the integer n is greater than 1, is n equal to 2?

(1)n has exactly two positive factors.

(2)The difference of any two positive distinct factors of n is odd.
[spoiler]n is nothing but 2.

B
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Sanju..you solved the problem with one step itself :D
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by selango » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:35 am
kvcpk wrote:
selango wrote:If the integer n is greater than 1, is n equal to 2?

(1)n has exactly two positive factors.

(2)The difference of any two positive distinct factors of n is odd.
(1)n has exactly two positive factors.
Let n= 3, n has only 2 positive factors ->1,3
Let n=2, n has exactly 2 positive factors -> 1,2
INSUFF

(2)The difference of any two positive distinct factors of n is odd.
A Positive integer which has exactly two positive factors is a prime number.
One of the factors is 1. For the difference to be odd, all other factors should be even.
But difference between the even factors will turn out to be odd. Hence only 1 even factor should exist.
2 is the only Even prime.
Hence n= 2.
SUFF

pick B
Whats OA?
But difference between the even factors will turn out to be odd
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by kvcpk » Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:36 am
selango wrote:
kvcpk wrote:
But difference between the even factors will turn out to be odd
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Sorry, I meant EVEN. not ODD. Typo.
For eample,
for 4, factors are 1,2,4
NOw diff between 1 and 2 is 1 - odd
diff between 2 and 4 is 2 - even
diff between 1 and 4 is 3 - odd
Difference between any two factors will be odd only when the other factor is 2 only.

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by KrazyKarl » Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:39 pm
Really good problem. I think that if statement 2 would have come first I would have eliminated it, but statement 1 helped me realize that 2 would be pretty unique as a prime even number. This was one where I thought both together was almost too easy, so it made me think back about statement 2 on its own. Not sure if that makes sense, but I feel like that happens enough that it's worth thinking about, if two together seem almost obvious then you should go back and figure out if you really need both.

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by lunarpower » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:43 am
KrazyKarl wrote:Really good problem. I think that if statement 2 would have come first I would have eliminated it, but statement 1 helped me realize that 2 would be pretty unique as a prime even number. This was one where I thought both together was almost too easy, so it made me think back about statement 2 on its own. Not sure if that makes sense, but I feel like that happens enough that it's worth thinking about, if two together seem almost obvious then you should go back and figure out if you really need both.
this is excellent -- i don't think enough students stop and think, often enough, about the purpose behind the way the problems are written. specifically, the problems are written almost every single time in ways that are specifically designed to target students who guess in predictable ways.
therefore, if you can see what is the "easy schoolboy answer" in these problems, you can just guess in a way that avoids that answer -- and you will find your guessing percentages skyrocketing.
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by lunarpower » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:49 am
kvcpk wrote:
selango wrote:If the integer n is greater than 1, is n equal to 2?

(1)n has exactly two positive factors.

(2)The difference of any two positive distinct factors of n is odd.
(1)n has exactly two positive factors.
Let n= 3, n has only 2 positive factors ->1,3
Let n=2, n has exactly 2 positive factors -> 1,2
INSUFF

(2)The difference of any two positive distinct factors of n is odd.
A Positive integer which has exactly two positive factors is a prime number.
One of the factors is 1. For the difference to be odd, all other factors should be even.
But difference between the even factors will turn out to be odd. Hence only 1 even factor should exist.
2 is the only Even prime.
Hence n= 2.
SUFF

pick B
Whats OA?
you got the right answer, but this is an incorrect analysis of statement (2).
specifically, you wrote "a positive integer which has exactly 2 positive factors" --> this means that you are carrying over that condition from statement 1. the problem is that we don't know anymore, in this statement, that n only has two positive factors!
(in other words, you are actually analyzing the two statements together when you think you are analyzing statement 2 by itself.)

here's the way it works:
imagine the number n = 2; this satisfies statement (2). the only factors are 1 and 2, so the only difference is 2 - 1 = 1, which is odd.
NOW, let's say that we add ANY other factor. let's call it "k".
here's the problem:
if the new factor "k" is odd, then (k - 1) will be even, and so statement (2) won't be true anymore.
if the new factor "k" is even, then (k - 2) will be even, and so statement (2) won't be true anymore.

the above proves that we can't add in any other factor, and so n = 2 must be the only number that satisfies this statement.

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from the new problems that i've seen lately from gmac, i would say that they're gradually moving away from these sorts of overly theoretical problems, and toward problems that are more mathematically lowbrow, but perhaps a little "trickier" (such as, e.g., sets of 2 simultaneous equations in 2 variables, but in which you only need 1 of the equations to solve).
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by selfmade » Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:27 am
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by arora007 » Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:01 am
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by HPengineer » Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:22 pm
Ron in your Thursday session have gone over some of the problem types you mention gmat is moving more toward? ie sets of 2 simultaneous equations in 2 variables etc...

If not that would be a great topic to cover if at all possible.

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by lunarpower » Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:47 am
HPengineer wrote:Ron in your Thursday session have gone over some of the problem types you mention gmat is moving more toward? ie sets of 2 simultaneous equations in 2 variables etc...

If not that would be a great topic to cover if at all possible.
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