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by patanjali.purpose » Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:39 am
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patanjali.purpose wrote:But, you mentioned in your post (quoted above) that SHAREHOLDERS STATED THAT are sort of "warmups" - if it is really a warmup how would I know whether IS SHATTED is incorrect (and HAS SHATTERED is correct)?

Am I missing something?
in this particular instance, you should figure out the verb tense in the same way you normally do -- according to the time context of the sentence.

you could have a present-tense verb in this kind of construction -- but only in a context where such a verb actually makes sense. for instance:
max knew that the plural of "radius" is "radii" when he was only four years old.
in this context, the present tense makes sense, because the fact described is a timeless grammar phenomenon -- in other words, something that just IS true, independently of any timeframe.

in your example, however, "is shattered" doesn't make sense, because the shattering of the shareholders' confidence was actually a point event in the past. that's not the kind of thing you can describe in the present tense.
Thanks a lot Ron for taking out time from busy schedule to futher add to your posts. Its of great value.

Two more related questions:

1) It means, the warmups could be ignored and still we can decide the right tense using the context. In this case, IS STATTERED is incorrect becasuse we have BY CONTINUED LOSSES signifing losses are continuing from past (if that was not the case, sentence would not have used CONTINUED. In other words, CONTINUED suggests us NOT to use PRESENT TENSE).

Secondly, use of CONTINUED suggests us to use perfect tense - had CONTINUED not been in the sentence (eg Their trust in the company's ability to grow is shattered by the losses in its financial division), then WAS STATTERED would ALSO have been correct.

Summary:

Reacting to the poor earnings per share reported by GE, shareholders stated that their trust in the company's ability to grow HAS shattered by the continued losses in its financial division - CORRECT

Reacting to the poor earnings per share reported by GE, shareholders stated that their trust in the company's ability to grow WAS (or HAS) shattered by the losses in its financial division - CORRECT. Is my understanding correct?

2) In another problem (https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/use ... t9839.html)

The Federal Reserve announcement said that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few signs of higher energy prices driving up the cost of other goods so far.

A. that growth had accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few
E. that growth accelerated after slowing in the second quarter and that the policy makers remain concerned about the prospects of inflation, even though there are few

I am bit confused here in the sense that if I ignore the warm up (The Federal Reserve announcement said), then E appears better than A. But OA-A - Why do we need to consider WARM UP to understand right tense in above example.

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by lunarpower » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:36 am
patanjali.purpose wrote:1) It means, the warmups could be ignored and still we can decide the right tense using the context. In this case, IS STATTERED is incorrect becasuse we have BY CONTINUED LOSSES signifing losses are continuing from past (if that was not the case, sentence would not have used CONTINUED. In other words, CONTINUED suggests us NOT to use PRESENT TENSE).

Secondly, use of CONTINUED suggests us to use perfect tense - had CONTINUED not been in the sentence (eg Their trust in the company's ability to grow is shattered by the losses in its financial division), then WAS STATTERED would ALSO have been correct.
first, make sure you can identify the word correctly. it's not "stattered" (which isn't an english word) -- it's "shattered".

second, you can't use the present tense for this kind of thing.
you can use the present tense for the actual present, IF you are talking about the state or condition of something (e.g., i am sad; the building is in a state of severe disrepair).
on the other hand, the present tense is not appropriate for events or actions that are actually ongoing in the present timeframe. for those, you use "is/are/am ___ing" instead. for instance, if you are currently driving on the freeway, you would not say "i drive on the freeway"; instead, you would say "i am driving on the freeway".

the only circumstance under which you can use the present tense for an action/event is if that action/event is something that happens in general.
for instance, if you drive on the freeway every day -- as part of a daily commute, or something like that --then you can say "i drive on the freeway."
the shattering of the investors' confidence doesn't make any sense in that sort of context, so the present tense can't be used here at all.




that's clearly not an official problem -- it contains a couple of rather serious errors, of the type gmac would never commit, in the non-underlined part -- so you should ignore it.
i also went ahead and killed that thread on the manhattan forum, since no one ever cited a source for the problem.
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