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by ksutthi » Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:22 am
Can anyone help me solve this question? I don't seem to be able to derive the answer.

In the xy-plane, at what two points does the graph of y = (x+a)(x+b) intersect the x-axis?

(1) a+b = -1
(2) The graph intersects the y-axis at (0,-6)

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by ed09 » Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:28 pm
I dare to say that the answer is C.

Below is my solution.

Rewrite the equation in form of quadratic
y=x^2+(a+b)x+ab

0=x^2+(a+b)x+ab - real solutions of this equation are x-coordinates of points where the graph intersects the x-axis.

(1)
a+b=-1 => x^2-x+ab=0
a+b=-1 - does not give enough data to be sure about ab
INSUFFICIENT

(2) (0,6) - this is one root
0=x^2+(a+b)x+ab; (x-6)(x+z)=0; x2+zx-6x-6z=0; x2+(z-6)x-6z=0
there is no enough data to solve this equation further
INSUFFICIENT

(3) COMBINE
from (2) x2+(z-6)x-6z=0
from (1) 0=x^2+(a+b)x+ab; a+b=-1
=>(a+b)=z-6=-1 => z=5 => -6z=-30
hence the equation sought is x2-x-30=0 or (x-6)(x+5)=0
thus, roots of (0,6) and (0,-5) are coordinates of points where the graph intersects the x-axis.
SUFFICIENT

I'll appreciate someone, who find a mistake in my solution or show a shorter way.
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by ksutthi » Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:44 pm
ed09 - yes, you got it. the answer is C.

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by Carol » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:15 pm
ed09

since you got it, could you try to explain your reasoning, elaborate it bit longer and clearly.

I didn't quite understood your explanation regarding the 2nd sentence.


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by ksh » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:39 am
ed09 wrote:I dare to say that the answer is C.

Below is my solution.

Rewrite the equation in form of quadratic
y=x^2+(a+b)x+ab

0=x^2+(a+b)x+ab - real solutions of this equation are x-coordinates of points where the graph intersects the x-axis.

(1)
a+b=-1 => x^2-x+ab=0
a+b=-1 - does not give enough data to be sure about ab
INSUFFICIENT

(2) (0,6) - this is one root
0=x^2+(a+b)x+ab; (x-6)(x+z)=0; x2+zx-6x-6z=0; x2+(z-6)x-6z=0
there is no enough data to solve this equation further
INSUFFICIENT

(3) COMBINE
from (2) x2+(z-6)x-6z=0
from (1) 0=x^2+(a+b)x+ab; a+b=-1
=>(a+b)=z-6=-1 => z=5 => -6z=-30
hence the equation sought is x2-x-30=0 or (x-6)(x+5)=0
thus, roots of (0,6) and (0,-5) are coordinates of points where the graph intersects the x-axis.
SUFFICIENT

I'll appreciate someone, who find a mistake in my solution or show a shorter way.
Best!
Hi ed09

I think there is an alternative to your solution

Stem 1. a+b=-1, plugging this the given equation x^2+(a+b)x+ab becomes x^2-x+ab. This is insufficient as we dont know the value of ab

Stem 2. It intercept y axis at (0,6), which means
6=0+0+ab or ab=6--- insufficient

Now combining 1+2 we get
x^2-x+6=0 which has solutions. so, sufficient

Hence C.

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by ed09 » Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:05 pm
Hi ksh, or Rising GMAT Star, ;)

I truly appreciate your remark, since it correctly points to my mistake.
I was definitely wrong in solving the second statement.

Indeed, the statement "The graph intersects the y-axis at (0,-6)"
means that x=0, but y=-6. Therefore, after substitution of these variables into the initial equation we get -6=0^2+(a+b)0+ab
That means -6=ab.
This also doesn't let us to find the second point of the graph's intersecting the x-axis.
That is the second statement is still INSUFFICIENT.

However, when we combine the statements and substitute their results
a+b=-1
ab=-6
in the original equation we get
0=x^2+(-1)x+(-6)
That is x^2-x-6=0 or (x+2)(x-3)=0. As a result of solving this we can find two roots: x=-2 or x=3.
Hence, the points of (-2,0) and (3,0) are those which we are asked about.
SUFFICIENT

The answer is still C.

Sorry for my pointing to that, but I just think it's worth to notice that your last equation and the remark about it are not accurate.
The equation of x^2-x+6=0 has no real solutions, and so we can't apply them to the xy-plane given.
I believe, you've realized this already.

Anyway, thanks a lot, and good luck on the test!

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by mathlete1 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:09 pm
Ksh and ed09....the coordinate given for #2 is (0,-6), not (0,6)...
ksh wrote:
ed09 wrote:I dare to say that the answer is C.

Below is my solution.

Rewrite the equation in form of quadratic
y=x^2+(a+b)x+ab

0=x^2+(a+b)x+ab - real solutions of this equation are x-coordinates of points where the graph intersects the x-axis.

(1)
a+b=-1 => x^2-x+ab=0
a+b=-1 - does not give enough data to be sure about ab
INSUFFICIENT

(2) (0,6) - this is one root
0=x^2+(a+b)x+ab; (x-6)(x+z)=0; x2+zx-6x-6z=0; x2+(z-6)x-6z=0
there is no enough data to solve this equation further
INSUFFICIENT

(3) COMBINE
from (2) x2+(z-6)x-6z=0
from (1) 0=x^2+(a+b)x+ab; a+b=-1
=>(a+b)=z-6=-1 => z=5 => -6z=-30
hence the equation sought is x2-x-30=0 or (x-6)(x+5)=0
thus, roots of (0,6) and (0,-5) are coordinates of points where the graph intersects the x-axis.
SUFFICIENT

I'll appreciate someone, who find a mistake in my solution or show a shorter way.
Best!
Hi ed09

I think there is an alternative to your solution

Stem 1. a+b=-1, plugging this the given equation x^2+(a+b)x+ab becomes x^2-x+ab. This is insufficient as we dont know the value of ab

Stem 2. It intercept y axis at (0,6), which means
6=0+0+ab or ab=6--- insufficient

Now combining 1+2 we get
x^2-x+6=0 which has solutions. so, sufficient

Hence C.

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by Whitney Garner » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:43 am
ksutthi wrote:Can anyone help me solve this question? I don't seem to be able to derive the answer.

In the xy-plane, at what two points does the graph of y = (x+a)(x+b) intersect the x-axis?

(1) a+b = -1
(2) The graph intersects the y-axis at (0,-6)

Many thanks.
Hi ksutthi!

The real shortcut here is understanding what "solutions" to a quadratic actually mean. Let's think for a moment on a topic that is actually a bit past the scope of the GMAT - the physical shape of a quadratic equation...it is a parabola. And in the world of parabolas, we often want to think about how many times they cross the X axis. From the images below, you can see that a parabola can cross the x-axis one-time, 2-times or 0-times.

Image

Okay, pretty neeto but so what right?? Well, the fact is that we like to think of these x-intercepts because they are all of the places where the Y value is 0. so when the formula y = ax^2 + bx + c becomes 0 = ax^2 + bx + c... so these are the values of X that would SOLVE that equation. But we know how to solve quadratics when they are =0 right?? We factor and then set each piece to 0. HOLD ON!! This means that the "solutions" of a quadratic are actually the x-intercepts of the quadratic/parabola!!

So guess what, the authors of the question have actually done most of the work for you. They already factored the X side into (x+a)(x+b), so to find x-intercepts, we just need to set the Y=0. This means that the quadratic will cross the x-axis at x=-a and x=-b. We just need to find those values!

Stm(1) a+b=-1

This just means that our 2 intercepts will sum to -1, but that doesn't tell us what their specific values are... For example: 8 and -9 or -4 and 3 would both work... [spoiler]Insufficient!![/spoiler]

Stm(2) The graph intersects the y-axis at (0,-6)
This means that when X=0, Y=-6. Let's plug that in:

-6 = (0+a)(0+b)
-6=ab

There are lots of combinations of a & b that will result in a product of -6 so [spoiler]INSUFFICIENT!![/spoiler]

TOGETHER
So now we have the following 2 equations:

a+b=-1
ab=-6

It would seem as if these 2 equations would be incompatible to actually solve for a and b individually, and you would be correct, BUT we don't really care what a is exactly, or what b is exactly - I'll show you what I mean. Let's solve the equation a+b=-1 for a and substitute into the second equation:

a=-1-b

(-1-b)(b)=-6
-b-b^2=-6
6 - b - b^2 = 0
(3+b)(2-b)=0
b=-3 or b=2

But would this be insufficient?? Well, let's check the values for a that correspond to these b values. We can use a=-1-b to solve:

when b=-3, a=-1-(-3)=-1+3=2
when b=2, a=-1-2=-3

So notice what happens, the a and b just swap values. But since we only care about the intercepts, we don't really care if they are (-3,0) & (2,0) or if they are (2,0) & (-3,0). The notation of a and b is just arbitrary! [spoiler]SUFFICIENT!![/spoiler]

Hope this helps!
:)
Whit

ASIDE: I talked about the number of times a parabola hits the x-axis so here is a fun tidbit of added info!! We determine the number of intercepts by the number of solutions:
- perfect squares (x+a)^2 only touch the x-axis once because their 2 solutions are equal
- typical factored quadratics will cross 2 times because they have 2 unique solutions
- un-factorable quadratics will NOT cross the x-axis because they have NO solution (x^2+a^2) for example)
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by mathlete1 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:29 pm
Whitney Garner wrote:
ksutthi wrote:Can anyone help me solve this question? I don't seem to be able to derive the answer.

In the xy-plane, at what two points does the graph of y = (x+a)(x+b) intersect the x-axis?

(1) a+b = -1
(2) The graph intersects the y-axis at (0,-6)

Many thanks.
Hi ksutthi!

The real shortcut here is understanding what "solutions" to a quadratic actually mean. Let's think for a moment on a topic that is actually a bit past the scope of the GMAT - the physical shape of a quadratic equation...it is a parabola. And in the world of parabolas, we often want to think about how many times they cross the X axis. From the images below, you can see that a parabola can cross the x-axis one-time, 2-times or 0-times.

Image

Okay, pretty neeto but so what right?? Well, the fact is that we like to think of these x-intercepts because they are all of the places where the Y value is 0. so when the formula y = ax^2 + bx + c becomes 0 = ax^2 + bx + c... so these are the values of X that would SOLVE that equation. But we know how to solve quadratics when they are =0 right?? We factor and then set each piece to 0. HOLD ON!! This means that the "solutions" of a quadratic are actually the x-intercepts of the quadratic/parabola!!

So guess what, the authors of the question have actually done most of the work for you. They already factored the X side into (x+a)(x+b), so to find x-intercepts, we just need to set the Y=0. This means that the quadratic will cross the x-axis at x=-a and x=-b. We just need to find those values!

Stm(1) a+b=-1

This just means that our 2 intercepts will sum to -1, but that doesn't tell us what their specific values are... For example: 8 and -9 or -4 and 3 would both work... [spoiler]Insufficient!![/spoiler]

Stm(2) The graph intersects the y-axis at (0,-6)
This means that one of the intercepts is -6, so -a=-6 or -b=-6, but we don't know the other value...[spoiler]INSUFFICIENT!![/spoiler]

TOGETHER
So we know that one of the intercepts is -6 now. But we don't know which one, does that matter?? Actually, no. We know that the sum of the intercepts must be -1, so -6+what = -1... 5! So we know that the other intercept is 5. Does it matter if a=5, b=-6 or a=-6, b=5?? Did the question specifically ask "What is A?" Nope!! They just wanted the intercepts, and they are (0,5) and (0,-6)...Good Enough!! [spoiler]SUFFICIENT!![/spoiler]

Hope this helps!
:)
Whit

ASIDE: I talked about the number of times a parabola hits the x-axis so here is a fun tidbit of added info!! We determine the number of intercepts by the number of solutions:
- perfect squares (x+a)^2 only touch the x-axis once because their 2 solutions are equal
- typical factored quadratics will cross 2 times because they have 2 unique solutions
- un-factorable quadratics will NOT cross the x-axis because they have NO solution (x^2+a^2) for example)
Whitney,

Wait a second...isn't the problem asking about the x-intercepts????? You wrote (0,5) and (0, -6) are the solutions. Those are y-intercepts!!!

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by Whitney Garner » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:41 pm
mathlete1 wrote: Whitney,

Wait a second...isn't the problem asking about the x-intercepts????? You wrote (0,5) and (0, -6) are the solutions. Those are y-intercepts!!!
GREAT Catch!! Guess I was just not paying attention - I'll fix the post to correct this! The answer is still the same, just different intercepts!

:)
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by [email protected] » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:39 am
You know what, a great explanation given by Whitney, thanks a lot!!!...
Okay, pretty neeto but so what right?? Well, the fact is that we like to think of these x-intercepts because they are all of the places where the Y value is 0. so when the formula y = ax^2 + bx + c becomes 0 = ax^2 + bx + c... so these are the values of X that would SOLVE that equation. But we know how to solve quadratics when they are =0 right?? We factor and then set each piece to 0. HOLD ON!! This means that the "solutions" of a quadratic are actually the x-intercepts of the quadratic/parabola!!

So guess what, the authors of the question have actually done most of the work for you. They already factored the X side into (x+a)(x+b), so to find x-intercepts, we just need to set the Y=0. This means that the quadratic will cross the x-axis at x=-a and x=-b. We just need to find those values!

Stm(1) a+b=-1
This just means that our 2 intercepts will sum to -1, but that doesn't tell us what their specific values are... For example: 8 and -9 or -4 and 3 would both work... Insufficient!!

Stm(2) The graph intersects the y-axis at (0,-6)
This means that when X=0, Y=-6. Let's plug that in:

-6 = (0+a)(0+b)
-6=ab

There are lots of combinations of a & b that will result in a product of -6 so INSUFFICIENT!!

TOGETHER
So now we have the following 2 equations:

a+b=-1
ab=-6

It would seem as if these 2 equations would be incompatible to actually solve for a and b individually, and you would be correct, BUT we don't really care what a is exactly, or what b is exactly - I'll show you what I mean. Let's solve the equation a+b=-1 for a and substitute into the second equation:

a=-1-b

(-1-b)(b)=-6
-b-b^2=-6
6 - b - b^2 = 0
(3+b)(2-b)=0
b=-3 or b=2

But would this be insufficient?? Well, let's check the values for a that correspond to these b values. We can use a=-1-b to solve:

when b=-3, a=-1-(-3)=-1+3=2
when b=2, a=-1-2=-3

So notice what happens, the a and b just swap values. But since we only care about the intercepts, we don't really care if they are (-3,0) & (2,0) or if they are (2,0) & (-3,0). The notation of a and b is just arbitrary! SUFFICIENT!!

Hope this helps!
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by [email protected] » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:40 am
By the way what is the source of this question...ksutthi
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