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by gmat740 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:05 pm
Why the state can not have predators? NJ as a place ,why NJ can not be subject of the sentence to own predators?
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It is very important to understand the meaning of predator : an animal that kills and eats other animals

So since NJ is a place and not an animal, so clearly we are talking about the deers :D

IMO-C(although, its wordy)


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A)With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have
Dangling modifier : It is the deer population which is to be modified and not NJ
B)With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that do not allow hunting,wildlife officials' estimate of the deer population in New Jersey has
This time : wildlife officials are modified instead of deer
(C)With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, the deer population in New Jersey, wildlife officials estimate, has
This one is controversial choice but still better among the rest. It has only one problem : it is wordy(see the bold part). But I believe, we look for verbose error,once all the other errors are eliminated(sentence style should not be the first criteria to evaluate an answer)
D)Without natural predators and no hunting allowed in expanses of green suburban neighborhoods, New Jersey has a deer population that wildlife officials estimate to have
I did chose D, but I was not able to convince myself as to why "have" because in my opinion, "has" would fit the bill, population => singular)


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E)Without natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, wildlife officials in New Jersey estimate a deer population that has
modifies wildlife officials just like B

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by pkw209 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:23 pm
This question is hard and somewhat ambiguous. I would have chosen D but the correct answer is C, which still baffles me.

New Jersey CAN have natural predators. I don't see anything wrong with that. Obviously, the GMAT people think differently.

Above all, I personally don't see how "expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting" can refer to deer population, as it does in C. I really don't. That HAS to refer to a place (NJ).

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With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have grown to exceed 175,000.
(A) With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have
(B) With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that do not allow hunting, wildlife officials' estimate of the deer population in New Jersey has
(C) With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, the deer population in New Jersey, wildlife officials estimate, has
(D) Without natural predators and no hunting allowed in expanses of green suburban neighborhoods, New Jersey has a deer population that wildlife officials estimate to have
(E) Without natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, wildlife officials in New Jersey estimate a deer population that has

'With no natural predators' is a modifier ... so after the comma, the legitimate subject (the deer population) should come. Only C is correct.

A and E imply 'wildlife officials have no natural predators' ... nonsensical

B implies 'the estimate has no natural predators' ... nonsensical

D implies 'New Jersey has no natural predators' ... nonsensical ... also, D is not parallel. "Without natural predators" is definitely not parallel to "no hunting allowed".

C: Correct
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by GMATGuruNY » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:14 am
ska7945 wrote:With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have grown to exceed 175,000.

(A)With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have

(B)With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that do not allow hunting, wildlife officials' estimate of the deer population in New Jersey has

(C)With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, the deer population in New Jersey, wildlife officials estimate, has

(D)Without natural predators and no hunting allowed in expanses of green suburban neighborhoods, New Jersey has a deer population that wildlife officials estimate to have

(E)Without natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, wildlife officials in New Jersey estimate a deer population that has
In A and E, with no natural predators (A) and without natural predators (E) seem to modify WILDLIFE OFFICIALS. The intended meaning of the sentence is that the DEER POPULATION has no natural predators. Eliminate A and E.

In B, with no natural predators seems to modify wildlife officials' ESTIMATE. The intended meaning of the sentence is that the DEER POPULATION has no natural predators. Eliminate B.

In D, without...NO hunting allowed implies that some hunting IS allowed, changing the intended meaning of the sentence. Eliminate D.

The correct answer is C.
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by sk8legend408 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:36 am
Only New Jersey can have no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow ho hunting. Consequently A, B, C and E can be eliminated.

The answer must be D...period.

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by GMATGuruNY » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:31 pm
sk8legend408 wrote:Only New Jersey can have no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow ho hunting. Consequently A, B, C and E can be eliminated.

The answer must be D...period.
The correct answer cannot be D.
As I explained in my post above, without NO hunting allowed means with SOME hunting allowed, completely changing the intended meaning. To convey the intended meaning, D would need to say WITH no hunting allowed. Even then, the lack of parallelism between natural predators and no hunting allowed would be sufficient reason to eliminate D.

In C, the introductory modifier modifies not only the deer population itself but also the ENTIRE CLAUSE that follows, explaining HOW the deer population HAS GROWN. HOW has the deer population GROWN? With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting.
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by satishchandra » Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:21 pm
Hi Mitch,
Your logic regarding modifiers is perfectly fine in this SC.

Can you also state correct/incorrect and Why for the following sentences?

1) This Problem can be solved with the the help of calculator (Correct/Incorrect) (Pl Ignore'this' has no antecedent)
2) With the help of calculator, this problem can be solved (Correct/Incorrect) (Pl Ignore'this' has no antecedent)

3) With the help of calculator, Martin can solve this problem (IMO, it is correct)(Pl Ignore'this' has no antecedent)

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by bubbliiiiiiii » Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:47 pm
Firstly, excuse me for stepping in. I just wanted to put forth my understanding of modifiers and get the same reviewed by an expert at the same time. :)

So, hope you don't mind. Here I go.

Can you also state correct/incorrect and Why for the following sentences?
1) This Problem can be solved with the the help of calculator (Correct/Incorrect) (Pl Ignore'this' has no antecedent)
IMO. Correct as this is a straight clause without any modifier.
2) With the help of calculator, this problem can be solved (Correct/Incorrect) (Pl Ignore'this' has no antecedent)

Again, IMO correct. 'With ... calculator' modifies this problem. However, if an option which has the modifier modifying a person working with calculator and assuming other thing to be grammatically fine, I would go with the later choice. :)
3) With the help of calculator, Martin can solve this problem (IMO, it is correct)(Pl Ignore'this' has no antecedent)
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IMO correct. This is what I was trying to suggest above.

Mitch, could you please correct me if my understanding regarding this is incorrect.
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