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by mundasingh123 » Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:44 am
Cajuns speak a dialect brought to southern Louisiana
by the 4,000 Acadians who migrated there in 1755;
their language is basically seventeenth-century French
to which has been added English, Spanish, and Italian
words.
(A) to which has been added English, Spanish, and
Italian words
(B) added to which is English, Spanish, and Italian
words
(C) to which English, Spanish, and Italian words have
been added
(D) with English, Spanish, and Italian words having
been added to it
(E) and, in addition, English, Spanish, and Italian
words are added

OG Expln
Agreement; Logical predication

D With does not concisely modify the noun
French; having been added to it is a wordy
expression.

Does this explanation imply that with does not modify the noun French at all
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by vinni.k » Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:35 am
Today, i also tried this question and got confused on choice D

Experts, please reply on this one.

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by garima99 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:40 pm
Cajuns speak a dialect brought to southern Louisiana
by the 4,000 Acadians who migrated there in 1755;
their language is basically seventeenth-century French(This is complete clause in itself..to which would be wrong
to which has been added English, Spanish, and Italian
words.
(A) to which has been added English, Spanish, and
Italian words
(B) added to which is English, Spanish, and Italian
words
(C) to which English, Spanish, and Italian words have
been added
(D) French with English, Spanish, and Italian words having
been added to it
(E) and, in addition, English, Spanish, and Italian
words are added(tense is wrong,so changes the meaning)
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by GmatKiss » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:00 am
IMO:C

Cajuns speak a dialect brought to southern Louisiana
by the 4,000 Acadians who migrated there in 1755;
their language is basically seventeenth-century French
to which has been added English, Spanish, and Italian
words.

D)with English, Spanish, and Italian words having
been added to it

with and having been- does not sink. C is proper and meaningful.
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by vinni.k » Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:01 am
Thanks for the replies; however if the sentence were, then ?

French with English, Spanish, and Italian words have been added ( Is this correct? )

French to which English, Spanish, and Italian words have been added ( I know this is correct )

Please, my focus is only on the preposition "with". The O.G explanation clearly says "With does not concisely modify the noun French", and grammar also says "When you have a noun followed by a prepositional phrase, the prepositional phrase generally modifies that noun."

What does O.G really mean ?

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by aspirant2011 » Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:09 am
mundasingh123 wrote:Cajuns speak a dialect brought to southern Louisiana by the 4,000 Acadians who migrated there in 1755; their language is basically seventeenth-century French to which has been added English, Spanish, and Italian words.

(A) to which has been added English, Spanish, and Italian words
(B) added to which is English, Spanish, and Italian words
(C) to which English, Spanish, and Italian words have been added
(D) with English, Spanish, and Italian words having been added to it
(E) and, in addition, English, Spanish, and Italian words are added

OG Expln
Agreement; Logical predication

D With does not concisely modify the noun French; having been added to it is a wordy expression.

Does this explanation imply that with does not modify the noun French at all
I think with modifies language instead of French
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by Jim@Grockit » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:08 am
My understanding of the explanation is that the GMAT doesn't like absolute phrases (With the assigned homework having been completed, the children went out to play) and doesn't like "with" clauses when a more precise and concise relationship between the two things could be written. Some examples, because I bet some of you are saying JIM, THAT EXPLANATION IS NO BETTER:

With the bus having left just before I arrived, I started walking to work is not as good as I started walking to work [when/because] the bus left just before I arrived.

I ordered a chicken sandwich with the crusts cut off the bread is a little worse than I ordered a chicken sandwich on bread with the crusts cut off.

The more telling error in that question from the OG is the "having been" part, rather than the "with;" there are times when you can't write a good sentence without either, but be much more suspicious of "having been" than "with."
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by vinni.k » Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:19 am
Thanks sir. I really appreciate for your reply.

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Jim@Grockit wrote:My understanding of the explanation is that the GMAT doesn't like absolute phrases (With the assigned homework having been completed, the children went out to play) and doesn't like "with" clauses when a more precise and concise relationship between the two things could be written. Some examples, because I bet some of you are saying JIM, THAT EXPLANATION IS NO BETTER:

With the bus having left just before I arrived, I started walking to work is not as good as I started walking to work [when/because] the bus left just before I arrived.

I ordered a chicken sandwich with the crusts cut off the bread is a little worse than I ordered a chicken sandwich on bread with the crusts cut off.

The more telling error in that question from the OG is the "having been" part, rather than the "with;" there are times when you can't write a good sentence without either, but be much more suspicious of "having been" than "with."
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by mundasingh123 » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:23 am
Jim@Grockit wrote:My understanding of the explanation is that the GMAT doesn't like absolute phrases (With the assigned homework having been completed, the children went out to play) and doesn't like "with" clauses when a more precise and concise relationship between the two things could be written. Some examples, because I bet some of you are saying JIM, THAT EXPLANATION IS NO BETTER:

With the bus having left just before I arrived, I started walking to work is not as good as I started walking to work [when/because] the bus left just before I arrived.

I ordered a chicken sandwich with the crusts cut off the bread is a little worse than I ordered a chicken sandwich on bread with the crusts cut off.

The more telling error in that question from the OG is the "having been" part, rather than the "with;" there are times when you can't write a good sentence without either, but be much more suspicious of "having been" than "with."
I ordered a chicken sandwich with the crusts cut off the bread is a little worse than I ordered a chicken sandwich on bread with the crusts cut off.

With the crusts cut off modifies bread or sandwich . I am asking this because some modifiers such as that can modify the subject of a prepositional phrase
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by Jim@Grockit » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:34 am
mundasingh123 wrote:
Jim@Grockit wrote:My understanding of the explanation is that the GMAT doesn't like absolute phrases (With the assigned homework having been completed, the children went out to play) and doesn't like "with" clauses when a more precise and concise relationship between the two things could be written. Some examples, because I bet some of you are saying JIM, THAT EXPLANATION IS NO BETTER:

With the bus having left just before I arrived, I started walking to work is not as good as I started walking to work [when/because] the bus left just before I arrived.

I ordered a chicken sandwich with the crusts cut off the bread is a little worse than I ordered a chicken sandwich on bread with the crusts cut off.

The more telling error in that question from the OG is the "having been" part, rather than the "with;" there are times when you can't write a good sentence without either, but be much more suspicious of "having been" than "with."
I ordered a chicken sandwich with the crusts cut off the bread is a little worse than I ordered a chicken sandwich on bread with the crusts cut off.

With the crusts cut off modifies bread or sandwich . I am asking this because some modifiers such as that can modify the subject of a prepositional phrase
I don't think you could point to a rule either way for what "with the crusts cut off" modifies, but it's more likely to be "bread" because A) it's actually the bread that has the crusts cut off, and B) "bread" is closer to the prepositional phrase. Position isn't everything (your example of "that" is a good case of this, where the modifier is postponed, as with The sandwich with the crusts cut off that I made) but it is still important.
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