Is x>y?

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Is x>y?

by Mormuse » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:04 am
1) x+y+2sq rt (xy)=0
2) x2+y2=0.

Statement 1 is sufficient. I dont get it. I see the pattern (sq rt x+ sq rt y)2 which leads to sq rt x = - sq rt y...
Could you please help?
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by Anju@Gurome » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:16 am
claudayst wrote:Is x > y?

1) x + y + 2√(xy) = 0
2) x² + y² = 0
Statement 1: x + y = -2√(xy)
Squaring both sides, (x + y)² = [-2√(xy)]²
--> x² + 2xy + y² = 4xy
--> x² - 2xy + y² = 0
--> (x - y)² = 0
--> (x - y) = 0
--> x = y

Sufficient

Statement 2: As x² and y² cannot be negative, only way (x² + y²) can be equal to zero if x = y = 0

Sufficient

The correct answer is D.
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by rohankamath619 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:57 am
My approach was a little different. Anju, can you please let me know if this is correct?

x + y + 2√(xy) = 0 can also be expressed as (√x+√y)²=0 That would leave us with:
√x+√y = 0
√x = - √y
x = y

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by Anju@Gurome » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:20 am
rohankamath619 wrote:My approach was a little different. Anju, can you please let me know if this is correct?

x + y + 2√(xy) = 0 can also be expressed as (√x+√y)²=0 That would leave us with:
√x+√y = 0
√x = - √y
x = y
Although you've reached the correct conclusion, this is not mathematically correct.
By definition, √x is the positive square root of x (if x ≠ 0).
Hence, it is not possible that √x = -√y = -(some positive number, again if y ≠ 0)

Now, where did you go wrong?
Your initial interpretation "x + y + 2√(xy) = 0 can also be expressed as (√x+√y)²=0" is correct. But this could lead to only one possible solution : as √x and √y are non-negative, both x and y must be equal to zero.

But by doing so, we are discarding a large number of possible solutions which is x = y as I have deduced. When did we discarded those solutions? As soon as we introduced √x and √y.

Let me explain with an example...
If we assume x = y = -1, then √x and √y are not defined (in the scope of GMAT).
But, x + y + 2√(xy) = (-1) + (-1) + 2*√[(-1)*(-1)] = -2 + 2√1 = 0

In fact, for statement 1 to be true, x and y must be equal to some non-positive integer. If, x = y = some positive integer, then x + y + 2√(xy) is always greater than zero.

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by rohankamath619 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:32 am
Thanks Anju, that helps.