Starting Over Again But So Close

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Starting Over Again But So Close

by Abadee » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:50 am
Hey Everybody-

Up until now I have merely been a great admirer of the site and have been able to relate to the trials and tribulations many of you have gone through. At this point I feel the need to draw on the experience of the BTG community and professionals to assist me in my efforts to attain a 700+ score. Hopefully this post can start a conversation that can help others attain their target score and pursue those ventures that help bring happiness and success to their lives and the lives of their loved ones.

Two years ago I took the GMAT after approx. 2 weeks of study and scored a 640. I became serious about applying to B School last year and subsequently attended the Kaplan Advanced Course in NYC last July, hoping to improve my score to at least 700 - didnt think 60+ points was too much to ask. I took a diagnostic test on the first day of class (granted it was a paper test) and scored a 680. During the class I took practice CATs that ranged from 680-720. After I finished the class, I officially took the GMAT and scored a 680. I subsequently applied to MIT last year-thinking my CFA designation would somehow make up for the 20 point shortfall- and did not get in. I had a chance to speak with an admissions official whom alerted me to some minor things that I could change and one of them was to improve my score to 700 - she said no one would ever question a 700. I am reluctantly coming to the conclusion that I have to start this process all over in order to re-apply.

Would you have any advice as to the best strategy going forward? What would be the best study materials? I do not want to take another class as I have neither the time nor the confidence in that method and do not want to waste time with any easy or ineffective materials. I am planning on allocating 2 months of time for this venture. I would really appreciate any thoughts. Thanks to all.
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by abhishekshah » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:58 pm
Oh WOW, thanks for sharing your experiences. Well i myself in my level 3 for CFA and thought 650 - 700 would get me a chance in the likes of MIT. This experience of your .... that too twice tells me a lot and also caution me to take things much seriously.... my friend i have been contemplating the idea of a second MBA since some time... with almost 10 years + experience i still don't know if it's really worth to join a b-grade B-School... would request if you could please share your experiences and if this is not allowed as a public affair you could plz pm me.

I think you have asked a very relevant question to the group...hope that the distinguished members help in answering the same.

"Would you have any advice as to the best strategy going forward? What would be the best study materials? I do not want to take another class as I have neither the time nor the confidence in that method and do not want to waste time with any easy or ineffective materials. I am planning on allocating 2 months of time for this venture. I would really appreciate any thoughts. "

Thanks once again!

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by VP_Jim » Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:54 pm
I think you need to hone in your weaknesses a bit more. Scoring a 680 requires that you're pretty good at at least some parts of the GMAT, but likely that you are average-ish in other areas. What was the breakdown (quant/verbal) on your actual GMAT? Have you done any practice problems recently and gotten a lot wrong in specific question types?

That's my advice - for now. Do a good cross-section of different problem types and try to figure out your weakest area. Then study that topic like crazy!

Another note: to me, what differentiates a high-600s scorer from a 700s scorer is "GMAT intuition". This is a very hard-to-define quality that comes from either being an awesome standardized test-taker or just doing a lot of problems to develop a "sixth sense", if you will, regarding the test. Things like instantly knowing what type grammatical issue you're dealing with, or recognizing a math problem from one during your study, just comes with lots of practice. Start treating the GMAT like a game or a puzzle - that's the outlook that will get you over the hump. When you really start to dissect problems and treat the test like a competition between you and the test writer, you can get in the exam's head and boost that score way up.
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by Abadee » Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:43 pm
Thanks for your post Jim...you are right on target. I recently took a MGMAT CAT as a baseline (before beginning my study) and got a 700 (47Q/38V). Don't know how that compares to a real GMAT CAT but CR is definitely my weakness - I hover around 50-60% correct on that section. I feel like I need a crash course in this subject and have heard a lot from other's posts about the Powerscores CR Bible. Is this a good source? I am curious as to what material(s) you recommend I use to boost my CR performance. Much appreciated!

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Don't give up

by mike.sanders223 » Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:31 am
First of all don't give up, you are so close to 700 I'm sure you'll make it.
I'm not sure another classroom course will help you. Self study could be what you need. There are some online tools these days that I've heard are pretty good.
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by Abadee » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:09 pm
Thanks for the encouragement Mike. It is definitely tough to get back in the swing of things but am giving myself 2 months to make this happen.

What materials are you using in this quest. I have read a bit about Powerscore CR Bible (any thoughts) and am looking ofr a upper level math concept book just to brush up (any suggestions).

STay focused buddy and we'll both get there. Thanks for the post.

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by Stacey Koprince » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:41 am
Received a PM asking me to respond.

I agree with what Jim said above. I'd also like you to take a look at your timing data. You're so close already to where you want to be; tweaking just a few things could make the difference.

So, timing data from your recent (MGMAT) practice test. Let's start with quant.

Load up the quant question list for the section and have paper ready (you can also convert the data into an Excel file and use that for your notes). Make note of:
(1) problems on which you spent 3+min or <1m15sec; note how many you got right and wrong in each category
--> Pretty much, you never want to spend 3+min on a quant problem. That just indicates that you don't really know how to do the problem. And, even if you get it right, that increases the chances that you'll get something else wrong due to timing issues.
--> On the ones on which you spent <1m15sec, ask yourself why. Did you know that you had no idea what to do and you gave up? That's a good reason. Did you think you had it right but made some kind of mistake? Were you forced to guess because of timing issues, or were you moving too quickly because you were worried about time (even if you weren't actually behind)? Those are bad reasons.

(2) problems below your level that you got wrong - eg, if you're currently scoring 650, look for problems in the 500-600 category
--> Why did you get them wrong? Lack of knowledge? Careless mistake? Fell into a trap? What kind of trap - assumed something you shouldn't have? Etc.
--> How are you going to change things to minimize the chances of making that same kind of mistake again? This might be learning / practicing the content, but not necessarily - it might also mean changing the way you do the problem (the actual technique, the process of solving).

(3) strings of 5 or more questions wrong in a row
--> Why did you get each one of those wrong? At least one or two will be things you did know how to do but you made some kind of mistake. Why?

Are there any trends there? Are you "dribbling away" too many points on lower-level problems? Are you spending too much time and costing yourself points later on the test due to timing pressure? Or are you moving too quickly and costing yourself points due to speed?

Then, do the same thing for verbal, but the timing for item (1) is a little different. On SC, look at 2+ min or <45 sec. On CR, look at 3+min or <1m15sec. On RC, for first questions (which include the time to read the passage) look at 6+min or <3min. For later questions, look at 2.5+min or <1m.

I am also surprised that an admissions person would call out a difference between a 680 and a 700. The standard deviation on this test is 30 points. There's no real statistical difference between 680 and 700. The admissions people should know that.

Finally, I'm not going to comment on the question of specific materials. (Obviously, I like the materials my company produces. Obviously, I work for that company, so I have a conflict of interest. :)) I'll just say that, yes, you will need to get materials that teach you how to deal with the specific types of questions and content areas on the test. Browsing these forums is a great way to find out what others have used and liked.
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