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My goodness, I was taking MGMAT CAT today, the quantitative part went smoothly, but the verbal :( I had three RC passages back to back! The second passage was very long. Has any body experienced the same till now? Should I expect 3 RC-s succeeding each other without any SC and CR in-between on the actual exam?
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by lunarpower » Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:42 am
Night reader wrote:My goodness, I was taking MGMAT CAT today, the quantitative part went smoothly, but the verbal :( I had three RC passages back to back! The second passage was very long. Has any body experienced the same till now? Should I expect 3 RC-s succeeding each other without any SC and CR in-between on the actual exam?
i think i've gotten three rc's in sequence on gmat prep, in one of the many, many times i've repeated that software. and i know that it's not at all uncommon to have two of them in a row.

in fact, having lots of the same type of question in a row is a gift -- this is a good thing, not a bad thing! i.e., you can keep your brain in "rc mode", rather than having to switch constantly back and forth between the mindsets required for different question types as you normally would.
as an analogy, imagine how much more you would be loving life if you got, say, all of the DS quant questions, for all of the geometry or number properties questions, in a giant chunk. that'd be great!
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by David@VeritasPrep » Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:17 am
Just want to echo what Ron said above and say that I had a student who did have this happen on the actual GMAT. The way I see it you have to do 41 verbal questions and whatever they put out there we have to do...I mean if the passage was suddenly in Latin or Greek you would have to do your best. It is good to have strange things happen in practice, it will get you ready for test day.
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by Tani » Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:19 am
Random is random. If we knew how many of each type were in the question pool we could tell you the exact odds of getting three RCs, but it is clearly possible.
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by Night reader » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:02 pm
I got abysmal 34 in verbal with 48 quant in CAT2/MGMAT. I was thrown off with 9 consecutive RC entries within three passages :(
passage one was all 700-800 level diff. -I handled 50% correct, passage two (long) was mixed 600,700-800 level diff. -50% accuracy and passage 3 (again mixed) more 600 level, one 800 -100% accuracy. I kept receiving mostly 700-800 level diff. questions throughout the test... total I had 4 RC passages
average diff right
CR 680
RC 670
SC 690

average diff wrong
CR 720
RC 720
SC 720

I feel like smashed in the face after this CAT, overall 680
please advise, I have 5 more days till exam
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by Tani » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:14 pm
My first piece of advice is the hardest of all - relax! Your post sounds as though you are really stressed out. That can only hurt your performance. While your verbal isn't up to your expectations, it is 70%ile, which is not abysmal.

Your next steps should be the same as they have been all along: go over your test and look for trends - question types that you have gotten wrong consistently. Then you will have something concrete to attack, rather than just plodding through more questions. Review your correct answers as well to be sure you know what you are doing right - after all, that is what you need to be sure you can repeat.

The odds of getting three RCs in a row are remote, so you are unlikely to see that on your test. Even if you do, remember to take each question on its own terms and not worry about what went before or after it. You shouldn't let the order throw you. You have done your work and prepared well.

Take a deep breath, don't overwork yourself into burnout this week and approach the test with the confidence justified by your hard work.

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by lunarpower » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:42 pm
heh, i accidentally hit the "thanks" button instead of the "quote" button (in case anybody is wondering why i randomly thanked the last post).
Night reader wrote:I got abysmal 34 in verbal with 48 quant in CAT2/MGMAT. I was thrown off with 9 consecutive RC entries within three passages :(
passage one was all 700-800 level diff. -I handled 50% correct, passage two (long) was mixed 600,700-800 level diff. -50% accuracy and passage 3 (again mixed) more 600 level, one 800 -100% accuracy. I kept receiving mostly 700-800 level diff. questions throughout the test... total I had 4 RC passages
average diff right
CR 680
RC 670
SC 690

average diff wrong
CR 720
RC 720
SC 720

I feel like smashed in the face after this CAT, overall 680
please advise, I have 5 more days till exam
NR, i think the biggest problem here is that you're thinking about way too many things.

during the exam, you should be thinking about exactly 2 things:
* THE QUESTION THAT'S DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOU
* TIMING

these are the ONLY two things you should be thinking about during the test.

if you are concentrating enough on these two things, you shouldn't even be able to remember, for sure, that the last 9 questions were rc's. you may have some vague idea or another -- but, if you are trying to notice the distribution of questions on your exam, that means you have to pay ATTENTION to that distribution. in turn, that means less attention that you can pay to the questions and the timing.
same thing with "difficulty levels" -- you should not be thinking about these.
in fact, if you are a student and you're scoring above 600 or so, you should NEVER think about difficulty levels -- you should only be thinking about the question itself: what's the best strategy for this question type? what signals are in the question prompt? what general lessons can i derive from this problem? etc.

the only students who should be thinking about "difficulty levels" are low-scoring students, who need to filter out the harder problems in order to have effective study sessions. if you are scoring high enough that the harder problems are within your adaptive window, then thinking even a single thought about "difficulty level" is a pointless distraction.

in fact, your statement about being "smashed in the face" provides a useful analogy: let's think about a boxing match.
in a boxing match, you can only pay attention to two things: your current actions, and your opponent's current actions. that's pretty much it -- any thoughts about anything else will just be a pointless distraction.
in such a match, are you going to remember if your opponent's last 9 punches have been right jabs? are you even going to have the opportunity to remember that?
... or are you just going to react to each individual punch as you always have in your training, with no expectations?

same thing on this test.
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by Tani » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:56 pm
Great points - focus, focus, focus - and never worry about percents - it's always about the difficulty of the questions, not about how many you get right.
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by Brian@VeritasPrep » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:50 pm
Great discussion, guys - just happened to catch this on a day I had lunch with one of our east coast instructors and we were discussing this story that hits at exactly Ron's point:

https://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2009/03 ... e-week-22/

This student was so freaked out by the low difficulty she perceived on the quant section that she melted down during the break, cried her way through the verbal, guessed on more than half the verbal questions and scored well below her goal of 700, posting a 590. Since 590 is still pretty good for not having really attempted the verbal section, I asked her breakdown...95th percentile or so quant, and about 5th verbal (the actual scores may be in that blog post). Maybe she caught an experimental or two that was easy, or maybe the easy questions had such subtle difficulty that she just didn't notice. Either way, her paying attention to difficulty level was the only thing she did wrong that day, and it was the difference between the 7s and the 5s.

What's that old prayer? Give me the ability to handle those things I can control and the wisdom not to worry about that which I cannot? You can't control the difficulty of the question you're on, but your performance on that question controls what comes next, so worry only about solving those questions you can get right correctly.
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by hja379 » Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:07 am
I completely agree with you all. My experiences with the exam - the break after AWA was 10min (2min over). I said to myself, I will take a strategic guess on a couple questions in the middle and moved on. Didn't affect my Quant score.

Came back a min earlier to start the Verbal section. Around the Q7, the screen went blank, freaked me a bit, raised my hand and no one came nor saw me. I left the station and knocked on the glass window. By the time they came the system rebooted itself. You can only imagine what my reaction was. I didn't pay my hard earned $250 for technical glitches. Anyways, I said to myself (again...) that it is what it is and I need to finish the exam, go back and play with my 2 yr old girl. Helped me calm my nerves and went on with the exam as usual.

Life throws so many things at you. Timing might not always be right.
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by Tani » Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:25 am
Good move. Keeping your cool is the most important skill you can take with you into the exam.
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