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760, Q50 V42, 6.0 AWA

by yesman238 » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:13 pm
Dear Friends of BtG,

Many thanks to everyone in the forums, and all the contributors to this site (of course to Eric for founding the site).

I just wanted to quickly share my thoughts on the GMAT with any and all who are still studying for it. Keep trying your best, the GMAT is a test that can be learned with time. Don't give up. The resources here have been so helpful in my own preparation, so I would suggest looking around the forums, etc, and see how others have done it and how you can best adapt it to your own learning style, strengths and weaknesses.

I'll share briefly my experience with the GMAT. Take whatever seems to make sense, and discard anything that wouldn't seem to work for you. I'll add my timeline at the bottom for those who might be interested. But 2 main tips, if you will, for those still preparing:

1. Keep your own review sheet. As you study, refer to all the resources available: the OG, flashcards, any books that you have, any cheat sheet that people have posted, just keep doing as many different questions as you possibly can. They don't have to be in a CAT test setting, or in any structured setting, even doing the free once-a-week questions, or the like, can be helpful to identify weaknesses. The key thing is to make your own review sheet. Take down notes on information that is new, or principles that you seem to miss. For example, I would write down things like how to determine the number of integer factors in a number, or some rules of exponents that don't come naturally to me. Or for verbal, write down things like 'less .. than', not 'less .. as compared to'. Each time you start studying, review this sheet first, so that you are constantly drilling the information into your brain. This helps with accuracy and speed because you'll be able to recognize what the question is asking more quickly.

2. Don't give up. Seriously, the GMAT is so principle-based, that it really can be learned. As you'll note later, I started prepping for the LSAT halfway between my GMAT preparation, and took the LSAT. Compared to the LSAT, the GMAT is much easier to prepare for, because 1+1 cannot equal anything except 2. Keep trying! The principles can be drilled into your mind. It is possible.

Nov 2011 - Decided to try the GMAT. Started studying. First ever GMATPrep Test, taken cold: 700
Dec 2011 - Thought I would take it this month, went through the OG Quant Review and Verbal Review books. Took the MGMAT, PR GMAT CAT tests, hovered around the 690-720 range. I then decided to try for the LSAT, so I put aside GMAT prep for a while.
Jan 2012 - LSAT prep.
Feb 2012 - LSAT prep and test. Restarted GMAT prep, going through the OG books again, reading up on tips online, downloading flashcards, and then also taking CAT tests, this time hovering around 730-760.

*After taking the LSAT, I realized that my verbal score improved drastically. CR and RC problems became quite easy, when compared to the LSAT, at least for me. (For those interested, you might want to take a few LSAT books on CR and RC. The LSAT books seemed to prepare me really well for these specific question types. Some say that this might hurt more than it would help, which I can see as true as well.)

Mar 2012 - Final preparations. I retook a GMATPrep test the day before my test, and purposefully rushed through it, came out with a 710. That tempered my expectations and kept me humble, which I think helped in the overall test taking (more psychological than anything else.) Really, very pleased to see the final score of 760 appear on the screen.

Thanks again to everyone, and best of luck to those who are still studying!

(Edit: Mistyped the years in the timeline. Thanks for pointing this out, Mozhi87!)
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by Troika » Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:26 am
Congrats on the awesome score! A 760 is quite an achievement. Could you tell us a little more about the prep material you used, other than the OG Review books?

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by yesman238 » Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:15 am
I didn't want to spend too much money, so as much as I could, I used free stuff.

Essays: (Disclaimer that I don't have my AWA scores yet)
Argument: The template by myohmy is truly amazing, but I found that I had to still tailor it to my own style. On certain prompts I had difficultly separating premises and assumptions, because by arguing for one, it takes away the opportunity to argue for the other. In the end, I decided that on three different types of flaws: 1. Premise, 2. Assumption, 3. Vague language. And I decided that it would be okay if I talked about 3 different premises, or 3 different assumptions, if I couldn't find distinct enough points to talk about.

Issue: Don't know that I really memorized a template. It's pretty straightforward. 3 supporting points, with elaboration.

Quant:
1. MGMAT Books. I used all 5 math books. They were extremely helpful, especially by dissecting the OG by question types, so that you can identify weak areas. Plus the books are very comprehensive. (There probably isn't a need to get all 5, just see which topics you need most help with. For me, books 1 and 5 were very helpful, because those principles weren't second nature for me.)

2. The links under 'Self Study -> Resource Links', specifically 'Advanced GMAT Math Problem Set', 'Difficult GMAT Math Problems'. Again, very helpful in identifying principles that need work.

Verbal:
1. Like I mentioned, I did some LSAT prep, so I didn't focus on CR or RC. I didn't have much problem for CR. I guess my only takeaway from my prep is this: there is always an answer that fits perfectly, don't settle for one that 'seems' to work, because there is always one that will work.

For RC, I had Kaplan's LSAT Reading Comprehension Strategies and Tactics book. I thought it was helpful, but probably not necessary to study RC in that great detail for the GMAT. Synopsis of the book: read for structure, not content. When I found I couldn't concentrate on the passage because of the content, I would force myself to take notes on the passage.

2. For SC, again the links under 'Self Study -> Resource Links' were the ones I used. 'Spidey's SC Notes', and the BtG Flashcards. For me, the 'relying on ear' technique already got me more or less there, I just needed to remember certain phrases, sentence structures, etc.

CAT Tests:
1. Any and all I could get my hands on. I have posted in a different thread my thoughts on CAT tests, but I'll quickly restate here: Just do them for content and, yes, to identify problem areas, don't get worked up over the scores, because nothing can be as accurate as the GMATPrep. Take the GMATPrep several times, because chances are, though there'll be some repeats, a good portion will be new questions (a tip I learned from the forums here).

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by amitairawati » Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:51 am
Congratulation on the score! :)

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by Troika » Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:27 am
Thank you for the detailed description of your study resources. This feedback is very informative and helpful.

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by hari47 » Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:01 am
Hi yatleoj,

Which LSAT books did you use for RC and CR section ? Could you please specify the book details?

Thanks,

Hari

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by AbhiJ » Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:10 am
How do you think LSAT Prep can hurt someone preparing for GMAT ?

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by Mozhi87 » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:17 am
Congrats for the awesome score mate. :) yet wondering how you did a time travel to Jan of same year. Just kidding! :)

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by yesman238 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:28 pm
hari47 wrote:Hi yesman238,

Which LSAT books did you use for RC and CR section ? Could you please specify the book details?

Thanks,

Hari
For CR: PowerScore Logical Reasoning Bible
https://www.amazon.com/PowerScore-LSAT-L ... 0972129618

For RC: Kaplan Reading Comprehension Strategies and Tactics
https://www.amazon.com/Kaplan-Reading-Co ... =1-1-fkmr0

For those who might not want to buy/invest so much time in LSAT prep, here's the short summary that I had earlier stated:
Verbal:
1. Like I mentioned, I did some LSAT prep, so I didn't focus on CR or RC. I didn't have much problem for CR. I guess my only takeaway from my prep is this: there is always an answer that fits perfectly, don't settle for one that 'seems' to work, because there is always one that will work.

For RC, I had Kaplan's LSAT Reading Comprehension Strategies and Tactics book. I thought it was helpful, but probably not necessary to study RC in that great detail for the GMAT. Synopsis of the book: read for structure, not content. When I found I couldn't concentrate on the passage because of the content, I would force myself to take notes on the passage.
AbhiJ wrote: How do you think LSAT Prep can hurt someone preparing for GMAT ?
I personally thought LSAT prep helped me tremendously. But I remember reading someone around these forums that if you're not planning to take the LSAT, it might be too detracting to go down that path, because you'll be learning some things that are not relevant to the GMAT. And the time and money investment into LSAT path might be too much for someone. I can generally see how these could be true.

Btw, got my AWA scores back a few days ago and can't be happier with the 6.0. For those who need help with this, the resources on BtG are simply amazing.

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by bzuhurov » Sun May 13, 2012 8:57 am
Well done I will also path your way

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by bzuhurov » Sun May 13, 2012 8:57 am
Well done I will also path your way