DR sayre's......

[vishubn]

Dr. Sayre’s lecture recounted several little-known episodes in the relations between nations that illustrates what is wrong with alliances and treaties that do not have popular support.

(A) relations between nations that illustrates
(B) relation of one nation with another that illustrates
(C) relations between nations that illustrate
(D) relation of one nation with another and illustrate
(E) relations of nations that illustrates


Why between form does not hold good ????

oa B

Vishu

[iamcste]

Dr. Sayre’s lecture recounted several little-known episodes in the relations between nations that illustrates what is wrong with alliances and treaties that do not have popular support.

(A) relations between nations that illustrates
(B) relation of one nation with another that illustrates
(C) relations between nations that illustrate
(D) relation of one nation with another and illustrate
(E) relations of nations that illustrates


Why between form does not hold good ????

oa B


Vishu

1. Between is used only for 2 objects. Correct idiomatic usage for between is " Between X and Y" In A and C, you cant see the usage. hence, we are sure that its not abut 2 nations.

2. And is not a correct usage as we need a modifier. Try to remove that and its clause, meaning is lost and after reading you come to know we have to restrict only those few episodes and does not refer to all episodes of the doctor

Eliminate D

3. Subject verb agreement
relation-illustrates is correct . Just a quick note X Of Y Immeditaly "Of Y" is middle man and hence X is the subject

B ( In E its relations-illustrate)

[raunekk]

(A) relations between nations that illustrates

between-for showing relations netween two things.
"relations" will take a plural verb "illustrate"

(B) relation of one nation with another that illustrates

"that" - a relative pronoun refers correctly to "relation"


(C) relations between nations that illustrate

(D) relation of one nation with another and illustrate

"and" - a conjuction is used incorrectly instead of a relative pronoun

(E) relations of nations that illustrates


thanks.
i hope this helps.

[dmateer25]

I believe the OA is wrong for this.

Here is a post from Ron about this question.

the answer is (c).

first of all, the subject of "illustrate" is "episodes". ("in the relations between nations" - as well as the various transmogrifications of that phrase in the other answer choices - is a prepositional phrase, and as such can be ignored in the search for SV agreement, since the verb lies outside the prepositional phrase.)
this means that you need the plural verb "illustrate", so we're already down to (c) and (d).

(d) is wrong for two reasons:
* "relation of one nation with another" is just ugly and unidiomatic
* "and illustrate" creates two problems.
- first, it falsely suggests that the presentation of episodes and the illustration of faults in treaties are 2 completely separate phenomena - a notion that's mistaken not only by pure common sense, but also because it contravenes the meaning inherent in the original sentence.
- second, if you create this compound verb with "and", then the subject of both parts becomes "lecture". in that case, there's SV diagreement, because "lecture" is singular.

as for the so-called official answer (b), that's at least two different colors of wrong. first, "relation of one nation with another" is not proper idiomatic english. second, there's the SV disagreement, as mentioned above.

--

to recap:
there is absolutely, positively no way that the official answer to this question is (b).
(c) is the best answer by a country mile.

two things:
1) while this is still a good practice problem - it tests SV agreement, idiom, and clarity - it definitely sets off my "non-official radar". it's rare not only for real gmat problems to contain long, unbroken, difficult-to-follow sentences with NO internal punctuation, but also for them to contain relatively wordy / informal constructions (e.g. "what is wrong with" vs. the much more formal and concise "(the) problems with").


2) if this problem is taken from a source that indicates (b) as the correct answer, run, don't walk, away from that source. run for your life.
if you can set fire to it while simultaneously running for your life, all the better.

[iamcste]

Dr. Sayre’s lecture recounted several little-known episodes in the relations between nations that illustrates what is wrong with alliances and treaties that do not have popular support.

(A) relations between nations that illustrates
(B) relation of one nation with another that illustrates
(C) relations between nations that illustrate
(D) relation of one nation with another and illustrate
(E) relations of nations that illustrates


Why between form does not hold good ????

oa B

whats the source dude?

Vishu

[vishubn]

1000sc!!

Vishu

[vishubn]

2) if this problem is taken from a source that indicates (b) as the correct answer, run, don't walk, away from that source. run for your life.
if you can set fire to it while simultaneously running for your life, all the better

That was show stopper comment !!


Vishu

[logitech]

I f-ing hate all these 1000 series bull shit and wrong OAs. Guys let us discuss some OFFICIAL questions or questions coming from reliable sources such as MGMAT, Kaplan, Veritas and etc...

It is also funny to observe all these explanations crafted on wrong OA's...

I am pissed

[schumi_gmat]

Guys,

It is really waste of time to discuss questions which we dont know if they are correct.

It only creates confusions, adds more rules, which are each person's understanding and creates even more confusion

Atleast, put the source of the question when you post the questions in the forum.

Please avoid 1000 SC as much as possible.

[vishubn]

Alright !! Suggestions ! accepted !! 1000sc removed ( shift +delete)

sorry for the trouble guys !!

Vishu

[logitech]

Alright !! Suggestions ! accepted !! 1000sc removed ( shift +delete)

sorry for the trouble guys !!

Vishu

Thanks bro.

My frustration was to 1000 series not to you. Thanks for posting questions.

[raunekk]

I fucking hate all these

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