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by sogmat » Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:48 am
Friends i need support
i feel sick n miserable.
i took princeton test a week back. got a 650
today when i took the next test. got a 600.
i feel sick really sick
i want a 700. please help me out. my exam is on 19th jan


i have been preparing for 2 months n started off with a 500. i really want to get a 700
please help me out

what should i do?
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by Neo2000 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 3:53 pm
we'll need to know a lot more than mere numbers. What was the break-up like? were you able to finish the test on time?? Do you know what your weak areas are? How did those weak areas affect your score on the test? What books have you been following? What's your study-prep been like so far?? Have you jotted down your mistakes and worked on your weak areas from your first test??

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by sogmat » Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:57 pm
we'll need to know a lot more than mere numbers. What was the break-up like? were you able to finish the test on time?? Do you know what your weak areas are? How did those weak areas affect your score on the test? What books have you been following? What's your study-prep been like so far?? Have you jotted down your mistakes and worked on your weak areas from your first test??

yes i was able to finish the test on time. though i had to rush a lil bit in verbal
my V was33 Q 40


my weak area was quant. Never though i would do so bad in verbal so concentrated on quant when i started off

however i did notice my weak areas in verbal and started to work on the same recently . weak areas were CR followed by SC. I have improved on both but my Rc has now gone for a toss. I end up getting the boldface questions wrong in CR. however i am improving

the number of wrongs are almost equally distributed in over the 3 areas in English so i dont know what to conclude.

i have been studing approx 3-4 hours everyday for 2 months and also work full time.

i really really need a 700+
do u think i should postpone my test

i am a very hardworking girl but i am losing patience now.

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by vishubn » Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:11 pm
i am a very hardworking girl but i am losing patience now.
i am sure ur sogmat !! My experience so far !!

Gmat PRep ( it might give u an idea how the actual exam is like)
Princeton ( just another practice tool )
MGMAT and KAPLAN ( on the same line )

So take away.. from all those !!

compare the leve lof question on each of them !! Result is ! Gmat prep is more of concepts and if u get it straight ! 99% of them can be solved in three steps ( wish i could do that rather telling u how it works ! FYI I suck !! )

Bottom Line !!
I am sure u r hard working :) !! Dont get bogged down by Princeton !! as mayonisee ! said he had 590 when he started !! i think take a long break ! i mean OFF from ur office ! and start with Manhattan and GMAT PREP .. see the difference ! and see if u r improving ! two scores comparison is not WAT U R :)

thats it girl !

Vishu

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by vishubn » Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:14 pm
GMAT PREP IS THE ANSWER !!

Stay COOL !! ( i know its easy for me to say !! .. i guess thats the max one can do right !)

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by cramya » Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:52 pm
Sogmat,
600's in practice tests is not bad. The CAT's are meant to show you the areas that u need to concentarte more, in addition to giving u an estimated score.

Like Vishu said GMAT prep would be the closest indicator (in addition tools like gmat focus etc...) of yous score. Again this also has a standard deviation of +- 30, I think.

Moral of the story:

Dont get down by the practice cat scores. Look at it as areas of oppurtunity for u to improve. Drill down to the specifics.

1) Was it a silly mistake?
2) Did u know how to approach the question(starter - were u comfortable on how u could start the question to arrive at the solution)?
3) Was it a conceptual error?

Practice CATS serve as windows to areas of oppurtunities/weakness we have in our preparation for the GMAT.


Be confident and get ur basics right on the various topics tested and I am sure u will do well (once u have the bases covered).

Good luck!!!

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by sogmat » Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:03 pm
THANKS ALOT for YOUR ADVICE
SOGMAT so so needs it

but i got only 3 weeks more now

n ya i make a lot of silly mistakes. trying to work on that

i need to improve verbal score
i have read sc manhattan
read powerscore
will be practicing more on the same

i am not gonna get any leave from office except for a couple of days like 3-5 days before exam.

Do ull think i need to postpone it

i did take the gmat prep a week ago n scored a 680 but there were some repeated questions. i think its only coz of that, I scored a 680.

Also in the quant section in the Gprep i marked the last 7 questions randomly as i was out of time

what do ull suggest
i can put in 4 hrs regularly till gmat.
do you guys think postponing is a viable option
i really want a 700+

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by cramya » Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:18 pm
i need to improve verbal score
i have read sc manhattan
read powerscore
will be practicing more on the same
I am sure u can improve by alteast 4-5 points within the next 2-3 weeks.


For quant not sure if u have read this:
semidevil wrote:
so I"m going over the OG 11 math, and I find myself solving the problems in my own way, rather then the from the answer key.

I do a lot of 'plugging' in, 'counting,' and just doing it in my head rather than laying out the formula going line by line.

lunarpower wrote:

we love you.

you should of course study raw content, but these sorts of "secondary methods" are where you're going to make the big gains.

this is EXACTLY what you should be doing.

in fact, i'm a bit extreme about this, but i believe in the "10-15 second mental shot clock", a lot like the shot clock in basketball.
if you don't think of a theory-type method within 10-15 seconds of the time you finish reading the problem, then move on to secondary methods, NOW.

never stare at problems. they don't like to be stared at, and may bite you.

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in the real test, does the test try to use figures in such a way that prevents you from doing that and force you to use traditional formulas?


dear lord, no.

in fact, many of the most difficult problems on the test are, ironically, more amenable to such backdoor solutions.
you see, each step of a problem usually admits some probability of a non-traditional solution. since harder problems are usually not only more conceptually difficult but also more complicated (i.e., have more steps), that translates into a higher probability of alternative solutions.

in fact, the only problems i've found to have a single, orthodox method of solution are very easy problems.


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For practice purposes, should I force myself in laying out formula step by step?


dear lord, no.

you should indulge your tendency to use secondary methods. "forcing yourself to lay out formulas" is a recipe for horrible time management; it's an attitude that will make you spend too much time on solution methods that simply aren't working.

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by the way, as jim said, many of the og solutions aren't so hot.
especially in word translations, where they NEVER use ANY charts, tables, or other such devices that i consider absolutely essential for solving such problems.

do remember that gmac is not in the business of helping you ace their own tests.

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in fact, i've gone so far as to FORMALIZE a PROBLEM SOLVING HIERARCHY that incorporates the sort of methods of which you speak, because most students rarely or never think to use such methods under the time constraints imposed on the test.

here it is.

PROBLEM SOLVING:
1. can i find a "textbook method" to solve the problem?
- i.e., can i find an 'opener' that might be in an answer key, etc.?
IF NOT,
2. can i "plug in numbers"?
- note that there are two kinds of "plugging in numbers" for problem solving:
(a) plugging in YOUR OWN numbers, and working through the problem in the normal direction with your numbers instead of variables (VIC style problems),
(b) plugging in the ANSWER CHOICES and working the problem backwards (used if the answer choices are numbers and there's a decently easy path "backwards" through the problem).
IF NOT,
3. can i estimate, or perform process of elimination in any other way?
- if the answer choices are NUMBERS and there's a decent spread - i.e., not all of the answer choices are extremely close together - then you may be able to eliminate answers based on estimation. this goes especially for geometry problems, which have DIAGRAMS and are therefore easier to estimate, but it goes for all sorts of other problems as well.
IF NOT,
4. guess
- if you get to this point, DO NOT DELIBERATE - just guess. remember that any random guess is as good as any other random guess. if you're an extreme "deliberator", then, as weird as it may sound, you may want to have an actual method for random guessing. this could be as simple as "pick the first one of the remaining choices", but anything you can do to prevent staring at the problem is good.

DATA SUFFICIENCY:
1. can i find a "textbook method" to solve the problem?
- i.e., can i find an 'opener' that might be in an answer key, etc.?
IF NOT,
2. can i "plug in numbers"?
- note that NUMBER PLUGGING WORKS DIFFERENTLY FOR DATA SUFFICIENCY. with problem solving, all you have to do is plug in one set of numbers (VICs) or plug in one answer choice at a time (working backwards). with data sufficiency, though, you have to plug in MULTIPLE numbers or sets of numbers, with the goal being to TRY FOR 'INSUFFICIENT'.
in other words, you should try multiple values, with your goal being to get both a 'yes' and a 'no' (if it's a yes/no question) or two different values (if it's a value question).
if it's a number properties problem, you should make sure that you figure out the TYPES of numbers being tested, and plug in accordingly. for instance, if the problem involves absolute values, then it's likely that you'll have to plug in both positive and negative numbers.
IF NOT,
3. can i use the "easy statement", or perform process of elimination in any other way?
- always use the "easy statement" first, if there is one, and choose the grid (ad/bce or bd/ace) accordingly.
ironically, the hardest problems commonly have one very "easy" statement out of the two (such as a statement that doesn't contain one of the relevant variables).
IF NOT,
4. guess
- if you get to this point, DO NOT DELIBERATE - just guess. remember that any random guess is as good as any other random guess. if you're an extreme "deliberator", then, as weird as it may sound, you may want to have an actual method for random guessing. this could be as simple as "pick the first one of the remaining choices", but anything you can do to prevent staring at the problem is good.



If u can postpone the date then yesy go for it. This will ensure u have covered all the bases for a potential 700 score.

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by Neo2000 » Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:43 pm
sogmat wrote:
Do ull think i need to postpone it


Also in the quant section in the Gprep i marked the last 7 questions randomly as i was out of time

what do ull suggest
i can put in 4 hrs regularly till gmat.
do you guys think postponing is a viable option
i really want a 700+
The decision to post-pone is yours and yours alone. Dont let us make it for you. YOU are the one giving the test so you should be the one deciding if you are comfortable with your prep right now.

I asked you early on if you are finishing the test on time. Randomly marking the last 7Qs implies you have spent way too much time on the previous Qs. You seem to be averaging more than 2mins per Q. What are your strong and weak areas in Quant and how have you worked around them?? Are you tracking your errors?? Using a grid similar to
https://www.beatthegmat.com/gmat-practic ... t6208.html
??

When i was studying, i would sit with a particlar topic say Probab and try to solve 40Qs in 75mins. This helped build both speed and accuracy as well as strengthen my problematic areas. What are you doing??

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by sogmat » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:20 am
hi neo,

well the grid is awesome. i have made an excel to track my performance but it needs to be more organized. this will surely help.

i was wondering wher could i get chapterwise math questions to solve. i really need to do that.

i have finished the OG twice and also done a couple of other CAT math books which i got from my friends.

i took another princeton test today and scored a 650. Q41, V39

I have started working in a more organized way and aim to stick to my plan.

I really need chapterwise questions in Math. I have used NOVA but it was too basic

i was planning to collect questions from the forums and segregate them chapterwise but i find most of the questions very hard.

can u tell me a better approach to improve math
thanks