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by tanviet » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:48 pm
there are 2 cases I do not understand. These 3 cases do exist in OG book. Pls, help, explain the meaning difference among

as you do, I learn Gmat

like you, I learn Gmat

I learn Gmat like you.

all these are grammatical. what is meaning difference? pls, help

I usually heard that "as" is used to compare verb, "Like" is used to compare noun. I do not understand this. pls give me full explanation
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by rockeyb » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:08 am
duongthang wrote:there are 2 cases I do not understand. These 3 cases do exist in OG book. Pls, help, explain the meaning difference among

as you do, I learn Gmat

like you, I learn Gmat

I learn Gmat like you.

all these are grammatical. what is meaning difference? pls, help

I usually heard that "as" is used to compare verb, "Like" is used to compare noun. I do not understand this. pls give me full explanation
All the sentences here are grammatically correct and they mean the same , the difference lies in what is being compared to what ?

1.as you do, I learn Gmat - what you do is being compared to what I do .

Since these involve actions being compared AS is used .


2.like you, I learn Gmat

Here you and I are compared . Since noun and pronoun are compared hence LIKE is used.

3.I learn Gmat like you.

Same here I and you are compared hence LIKE is used. Here I learn GMAT is a complete noun phrase that is compared with you .



Hope this helps.
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by ramsharma » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:50 am
duongthang wrote:there are 2 cases I do not understand. These 3 cases do exist in OG book. Pls, help, explain the meaning difference among

as you do, I learn Gmat

like you, I learn Gmat

I learn Gmat like you.

all these are grammatical. what is meaning difference? pls, help

I usually heard that "as" is used to compare verb, "Like" is used to compare noun. I do not understand this. pls give me full explanation
Pls search for "as" vs " like" post.Some of the experts too have shed lights on this topic
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by tanviet » Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:17 am
LIKE is used to say that 2 noun are similar in that they do the same action

AS is used to say that 2 action are similar in that they are performed in the same way

Is that right?

but

I LEARN GMAT LIKE YOU means I LEARN GMAT IN THE WAY RESEMBLING (NOT IN THE SAME WAY AS) THE WAY YOU LEARN. I got this from "comprehensive grammar". I thing the book is correct.

any idea on this
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by rockeyb » Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:51 am
duongthang wrote:LIKE is used to say that 2 noun are similar in that they do the same action

AS is used to say that 2 action are similar in that they are performed in the same way

Is that right?
You are correct .
But I would repeat my self :

1. Use LIKE to COMPARE noun , pronoun or noun phrase .

2. Use AS to compare verbs or clauses.
BUT you can use LIKE to compare clause too.
duongthang wrote: but

I LEARN GMAT LIKE YOU means I LEARN GMAT IN THE WAY RESEMBLING (NOT IN THE SAME WAY AS) THE WAY YOU LEARN. I got this from "comprehensive grammar". I thing the book is correct.

any idea on this
Yes you are correct again.I LEARN GMAT LIKE YOU means I LEARN GMAT IN THE WAY RESEMBLING (NOT IN THE SAME WAY AS) THE WAY YOU LEARN
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by samarpan_bschool » Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:29 am
Hi rockeyb

I would like to focus on the sentence - I learn GMAT like you

The way i understand this sentence is - I learn GMAT like (i learn) you!

(i learn) is eclipsed

Dont you think the correct sentence should be - I learn GMAT like you do.

Any thoughts??

(Because in case of comparisons, specially with 'than', if you have an object before 'than' then you need to use the verb to remove any ambiguity..

e.g. I like chicago more than you.

This sentence is ambiguous - in the sense
I like chicago more than (i like) you
(or)
I like chicago more than you (like chicago)
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by rockeyb » Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:31 pm
samarpan_bschool wrote:Hi rockeyb

I would like to focus on the sentence - I learn GMAT like you

The way i understand this sentence is - I learn GMAT like (i learn) you!

(i learn) is eclipsed

Dont you think the correct sentence should be - I learn GMAT like you do.

Any thoughts??

(Because in case of comparisons, specially with 'than', if you have an object before 'than' then you need to use the verb to remove any ambiguity..

e.g. I like chicago more than you.

This sentence is ambiguous - in the sense
I like chicago more than (i like) you
(or)
I like chicago more than you (like chicago)

Excellent point I would say .

As you have clearly stated :

e.g. I like chicago more than you.

This sentence is ambiguous - in the sense
I like chicago more than (i like) you
(or)
I like chicago more than you (like chicago)

The sentence I learn GMAT like you is also ambiguous.

Consider another example on the similar lines :

Tatiana analyze people LIKE Oliver Sacks , the famous neurologist.

This sentence too has two meanings depending upon how you interpret.

A) Tatiana analyze people who are similar to Oliver Sacks .

OR

B) Tatiana analyze people in the similar manner as the neurologist dose.

But since in both the cases nouns are used for comparison LIKE is used and not AS.

Coming back to the sentence I learn GMAT like you , is also ambiguous and has two meanings

A) I learn GMAT in similar manner as you do .

OR

B)I learn GMAT like I learn you .

But the later sentence dose not make any sense or very little sense when compared to (A). You dont learn a person do you ?

Again if you change the sentence in order to make it more precise
Dont you think the correct sentence should be - I learn GMAT like you do.
This is incorrect as you are using LIKE to compare what you do and what I do .

So you must say I learn GMAT AS you do .
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by tanviet » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:04 am
Stacey, Karen, pls help us to realize difference between

I LEARN GMAT AS YOU DO

I LEARN GMAT LIKE YOU.

the second sentence appear in OG 11 book in the question 104 as following

Nuclear fusion is the force that powers the Sun, the stars, and hydrogen bombs, //merging the nuclei of atoms and not spliting them apart, as in nuclear reactors//

a,

b,Merging the nuclei of atoms instead of spliting them apart, like nuclear reactors

c, Merging the nuclei of atoms rather than splitting them apart,as nuclear reactor do

d,and merge the nuclei of atoms but dose not split them apart, as is done in nuclear reactors

e, and merge the nuclei of atoms, unlike atomic reactors that split them apart

many time I ask, WHY B IS WRONG?, pls, help me out and we finish LIKE,AS problem.
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by tanviet » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:14 am
GMAT do not accept sentence: I CONSIDER YOU TO BE A GOOD BOY, but accept sentence I CONSIDER YOU A GOOD BOY

Maybe GMAT do not accept the sentence I LEARN GMAT LIKE YOU, although this sentence is accepted in grammar books

Am I correct?
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by tanviet » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:35 am
samarpan_bschool wrote:Hi rockeyb

I would like to focus on the sentence - I learn GMAT like you

The way i understand this sentence is - I learn GMAT like (i learn) you!

(i learn) is eclipsed

Dont you think the correct sentence should be - I learn GMAT like you do.

Any thoughts??

(Because in case of comparisons, specially with 'than', if you have an object before 'than' then you need to use the verb to remove any ambiguity..

e.g. I like chicago more than you.

This sentence is ambiguous - in the sense
I like chicago more than (i like) you
(or)
I like chicago more than you (like chicago)
you mean that I LEARN GMAT LIKE YOU is not acceptable on GMAT land Is that right? why

the following is question 189 in OG 10, C is correct.

Proponents of artificial intelligence say they will be able to make computers that can understand English and other human languages, recognize objects, and reason //as an expert dose-computers that will be used to diagnose equipment breakdowns, deciding whether to authorize a loan, or other purpose such as these//

a,

b,as an experts dose, which may be used for purpose such as diagnosing equipment breakdown or deciding whether to authorize a loan

c,like an expert-computer that will be used for such purpose as diagnosing equipment breakdown or deciding whether to authorize a loan

d,like an expert, the use of which would be for purpose like the diagnose of equipment breakdown or the decision whether or not a loan should be authorized

e,like an expert, to be used to diagnose equipment breakdowns,deciding whether to authorize a loan or not, or the like

WHY "LIKE" IN 104 OG 11 IS WRONG AND "LIKE" IN 189 OG 10 IS RIGHT
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by tanviet » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:11 am
rockeyb wrote:
samarpan_bschool wrote:Hi rockeyb

I would like to focus on the sentence - I learn GMAT like you

The way i understand this sentence is - I learn GMAT like (i learn) you!

(i learn) is eclipsed

Dont you think the correct sentence should be - I learn GMAT like you do.

Any thoughts??

(Because in case of comparisons, specially with 'than', if you have an object before 'than' then you need to use the verb to remove any ambiguity..

e.g. I like chicago more than you.

This sentence is ambiguous - in the sense
I like chicago more than (i like) you
(or)
I like chicago more than you (like chicago)

Excellent point I would say .

As you have clearly stated :

e.g. I like chicago more than you.

This sentence is ambiguous - in the sense
I like chicago more than (i like) you
(or)
I like chicago more than you (like chicago)

The sentence I learn GMAT like you is also ambiguous.

Consider another example on the similar lines :

Tatiana analyze people LIKE Oliver Sacks , the famous neurologist.

This sentence too has two meanings depending upon how you interpret.

A) Tatiana analyze people who are similar to Oliver Sacks .

OR

B) Tatiana analyze people in the similar manner as the neurologist dose.

But since in both the cases nouns are used for comparison LIKE is used and not AS.

Coming back to the sentence I learn GMAT like you , is also ambiguous and has two meanings

A) I learn GMAT in similar manner as you do .

OR

B)I learn GMAT like I learn you .

But the later sentence dose not make any sense or very little sense when compared to (A). You dont learn a person do you ?

Again if you change the sentence in order to make it more precise
Dont you think the correct sentence should be - I learn GMAT like you do.
This is incorrect as you are using LIKE to compare what you do and what I do .

So you must say I learn GMAT AS you do .
Thank you a lot

"I analyze people like Oliver" can have one more meaning, (total, 3 meanings)

I analyze people like I analyze Oliver

if I say I ANALYZE LIKE OLIVER. this sentence is correct. is that right ? because there is only one meaning I ANALYZE IN THE SIMILAR WAY AS OLIVER DOSE.

is that right?

so, if there is no object, there is no ambiguous. is that right?
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by rockeyb » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:32 am
@duongthang
"I analyze people like Oliver" can have one more meaning, (total, 3 meanings)

I analyze people like I analyze Oliver

if I say I ANALYZE LIKE OLIVER. this sentence is correct. is that right ? because there is only one meaning I ANALYZE IN THE SIMILAR WAY AS OLIVER DOSE.

is that right?

so, if there is no object, there is no ambiguous. is that right?
The sentence I ANALYZE LIKE OLIVER as you said will have only one meaning I ANALYZE IN THE SIMILAR WAY AS OLIVER DOSE .

But again use of LIKE here is not acceptable since you are comparing what you do and what Oliver dose .

So correct usage is I ANALYZE AS OLIVER DOSE.


Also it seems that removing the object dose removes the ambiguity , but not too sure about that .But a great point any ways .
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