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by paes » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:49 pm
Plays by Aphra Behn performed by the Duke's Company, and published in England in the 1670s, made her one of the first female authors to earn a living by writing.

(A) Aphra Behn performed by the Duke's Company, and published in England in the 1670s, made her one of
(B) Aphra Behn that they performed was published in England in the 1670s, thus making her one of
(C) Aphra Behn that they performed by the Duke's Company, was published in the 1670s , making her one of
(D) Aphra Behn, performed by the Duke's Company,were published in England in the 1670s, making Behn one of
(E) ..

OA Later
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by RyanDark » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:26 pm
IMO D.All other options have pronoun reference issues.
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by niksworth » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:29 pm
A looks good. Why is E missing?

A says - Plays by A performed by B and published in C made her one of the first female authors to earn a living by writing.

Here, the participle phrase performed by B and published by C is modifying the subject of the preceding noun phrase play and is a valid construction.

B - What does they refer to?

C - What does they refer to?
that they performed by the Duke's Company - illogocal

D - Aphra Behn was the dramatist. She cannot be performed - Modifier error.
were published - subject verb agreement error.

E - missing.
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by niksworth » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:36 pm
paes wrote:Plays by Aphra Behn performed by the Duke's Company, and published in England in the 1670s, made her one of the first female authors to earn a living by writing.

(A) Plays by Aphra Behn performed by the Duke's Company, and published in England in the 1670s, made her one of
(B) Aphra Behn that they performed was published in England in the 1670s, thus making her one of
(C) Aphra Behn that they performed by the Duke's Company, was published in the 1670s , making her one of
(D) Aphra Behn, performed by the Duke's Company,were published in the 1670s, making Behn one of
(E) ..

OA Later
Source : Veritas test
Looking at options B, C, D it seems that Plays by is out of the underlined portion. Otherwise these options do not make sense. However, A contradicts that with Plays by included in the underlined portion. Please clarify.
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by paes » Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:13 pm
OA is D:

niksworth@,

I have corrected the underlined part. thanks
(This is the problem when you type an sentence correction problme. )
E was clearly out, so I didn't put it.

OA is D.

I also selected A, with the same thinking as niksworth has given,

but explanation is saying that : there is no referent for 'her' in A, which I don't agree.

RyanDark,

can you please justify this point, How there is no referent for 'her'.
I think 'her' is clearly pointing to Aphra Behn.
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by mohit11 » Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:20 pm
paes wrote:Plays by Aphra Behn performed by the Duke's Company, and published in England in the 1670s, made her one of the first female authors to earn a living by writing.

(A) Aphra Behn performed by the Duke's Company, and published in England in the 1670s, made her one of
(B) Aphra Behn that they performed was published in England in the 1670s, thus making her one of
(C) Aphra Behn that they performed by the Duke's Company, was published in the 1670s , making her one of
(D) Aphra Behn, performed by the Duke's Company,were published in the 1670s, making Behn one of
(E) ..

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Niks - , and is never a correct connector unless there is a word like thus along with ,and

I am good at playing, and dancing - incorrect
I went to the Australia, and danced through the night - Incorrect.

I went to Australia's theme park, and thus saw Australian performers. - Correct

When we use ,and construction there is usually a because relationship between part before , and part after ,

- Thus A is incorrect.

B and C have ambiguous pronoun they

D is grammatically correct
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by FightWithGMAT » Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:20 pm
paes wrote:Plays by Aphra Behn performed by the Duke's Company, and published in England in the 1670s, made her one of the first female authors to earn a living by writing.

(A) Aphra Behn performed by the Duke's Company, and published in England in the 1670s, made her one of
(B) Aphra Behn that they performed was published in England in the 1670s, thus making her one of
(C) Aphra Behn that they performed by the Duke's Company, was published in the 1670s , making her one of
(D) Aphra Behn, performed by the Duke's Company,were published in the 1670s, making Behn one of
(E) ..

OA Later
Source : Veritas test
Did you transcribe the question completely? We need to be systematic in posting questions.
Option C and D are missing "in England". I don't think GMAT does this kind stupidity.
For the maximum benefit of other forum users, it would be better to post all the options. Let people think why E is wrong. People learn from wrong options as well. They do not know in the first place that a particular option is wrong.
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by paes » Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:30 pm
Mohit,

I don't agree with you.
I think both the sentences are correct :

I am good at playing, and dancing
I went to the Australia, and danced through the night.

A is

Plays by X performed by Y and published in ....> , made her one of the first female authors to earn a living by writing.
I am not seeing anything wrong here.

But if you see D :
It looks that it is changing the meaning of the sentence. More emphasis is given on year of publication.
Also 'making' is modifying to plays - an innate subject, such construction is generally wrong.
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by niksworth » Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:31 pm
paes wrote:OA is D:

niksworth@,

I have corrected the underlined part. thanks
(This is the problem when you type an sentence correction problme. )
E was clearly out, so I didn't put it.

OA is D.

I also selected A, with the same thinking as niksworth has given,

but explanation is saying that : there is no referent for 'her' in A, which I don't agree.

RyanDark,

can you please justify this point, How there is no referent for 'her'.
I think 'her' is clearly pointing to Aphra Behn.
Yeah, D makes sense now.

Between A and D, D is a better choice because it eliminates any doubt whatsoever about the referent of her

In A, there is an iota of doubt regarding who was the first female author to earn a living by writing. This is because Alpha Behn is not the subject of the main clause but a part of the prepositional phrase modifying Plays.

Another way to validate is to change the form of the possessive. Simplifying the sentence -

Alpha Behn's plays made her famous. - Here we may say that the referent of her is not clear.
Flip the possessive - The plays of Alpha Behn made her famous. - Again the same doubt may come up. This is the error in A.

I chose D because Plays of was in the underlined portion, making the answer choice D ungrammatical. Now that is clear, I see no other grammatical errors in D. Why did you rule D out?
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by paes » Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:35 pm
FightWithGmat@

I have corrected D. thanks to point it.
But C is really missing England, even in the practice test.
You are right that we should post all the 5 choices, but you should also understand the pain of typing all the 5b choices.
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by mohit11 » Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:36 pm
paes wrote:Mohit,

I don't agree with you.
I think both the sentences are correct :

I am good at playing, and dancing
I went to the Australia, and danced through the night.

A is

Plays by X performed by Y and published in ....> , made her one of the first female authors to earn a living by writing.
I am not seeing anything wrong here.

But if you see E :
It looks that it is changing the meaning of the sentence. More emphasis is given on year of publication.
Also 'making' is modifying to plays - an innate subject, such construction is generally wrong.

I am quoting Ron from MGMAT here

",and is usually not a proper connector. Also, when we connect two parts of a sentence using "and" then those two parts need to be independent. For using ,and construction we need have a connecting work like Thus. Sentence : It was raining, and thus I was late for work is correct. "


There is traffic, and I am late is incorrect
There is traffic, and thus I am late is correct
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by paes » Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:42 pm
niksWorth@

Alpha Behn's plays made her famous.

There is no ambiguity in this sentence. A possessive pronoun can refer to a possessive noun. [ From MgMat]

Now coming to D, I am seeing 2 problems.

(1) It looks that it is changing the meaning of the sentence. More emphasis is given on year of publication in D.
While according the given choice, main emphasis is on : the plays made her first female author. [ year of publication is just an extra information ]

(2) D is a passive construction.
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by niksworth » Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:43 pm
mohit11 wrote:
paes wrote:Plays by Aphra Behn performed by the Duke's Company, and published in England in the 1670s, made her one of the first female authors to earn a living by writing.

(A) Aphra Behn performed by the Duke's Company, and published in England in the 1670s, made her one of
(B) Aphra Behn that they performed was published in England in the 1670s, thus making her one of
(C) Aphra Behn that they performed by the Duke's Company, was published in the 1670s , making her one of
(D) Aphra Behn, performed by the Duke's Company,were published in the 1670s, making Behn one of
(E) ..

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Niks - , and is never a correct connector unless there is a word like thus along with ,and

I am good at playing, and dancing - incorrect
I went to the Australia, and danced through the night - Incorrect.

I went to Australia's theme park, and thus saw Australian performers. - Correct

When we use ,and construction there is usually a because relationship between part before , and part after ,

- Thus A is incorrect.

B and C have ambiguous pronoun they

D is grammatically correct
Mohit,
Both 1 and 2 are correct. Use of comma before and while listing things is commonly used by a lot of authors. There is nothing ungrammatical about it. There has been some debate on it but most of the commonly accepted style guides support its use.

Read William Strunk's Elements of Style.
Also refer to -
1) United States Government Printing Office's Style Manual
2) Chicago Manual of Style
3) The Oxford Style Manual,
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by mohit11 » Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:47 pm
niksworth wrote:
mohit11 wrote: Mohit,
Both 1 and 2 are correct. Use of comma before and while listing things is commonly used by a lot of authors. There is nothing ungrammatical about it. There has been some debate on it but most of the commonly accepted style guides support its use.

Read William Strunk's Elements of Style.
Also refer to -
1) United States Government Printing Office's Style Manual
2) Chicago Manual of Style
3) The Oxford Style Manual,
Perhaps my earlier example was incorrect ( still need to check that though) - Following examples( Directly quoting Ron from MGMAT) are 100 percent correct.

There is traffic, and I am late is incorrect
There is traffic, and thus I am late is correct
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by niksworth » Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:48 pm
paes wrote:niksWorth@

Alpha Behn's plays made her famous.

There is no ambiguity in this sentence. A possessive pronoun can refer to a possessive noun. [ From MgMat]

Now coming to D, I am seeing 2 problems.

(1) It looks that it is changing the meaning of the sentence. More emphasis is given on year of publication in D.
While according the given choice, main emphasis is on : the plays made her first female author. [ year of publication is just an extra information ]

(2) D is a passive construction.
Hmmm, perhaps you have a point here. An expert may help.
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